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1776-1976 Bicentennial Kennedy Half Dollar Retained Cud Or Pre-Cud? Please Help!

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Hi Guys! I found this Half Dollar last night CRH, and I need your help and knowledge please. Is this Retained Cud or Pre-Cud? Thank you!!
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I think it's a Pre-Cud. Cool find.
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Thank you E&V!!
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Definitely a neat find, congrats! =)
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Yes, as E&V stated, a pre-cud. Below is a link to the definitions and below that is a link to see the differences. In a nutshell, you need rim to rim to be considered a pre-cud and the same plus displacement in the die for a Retained Cud, (you can usually see movement in devices in displacement). Cool find!

Definitions https://cuds-on-coins.com/retained-cuds/

Pre-cud and Retained Cud listings https://cuds-on-coins.com/retained-...964-present/
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Thank you Brandmeister!!
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Thank you makecents!! I always go and read that information but don't know why is so difficult for me to understand the difference between them

Edited: movement is the part that I don't understand
Thank you for the links!!
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Yes to all above. Good photos too.
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Good eye, congrats!
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Here are a couple of pics from COC. The first no displacement in the die or devices, just a rim to rim crack with no "movement", as you called it, the second pic, you can see displacement, look how the S, T and the field look raised and offset. It will be more or less extreme, depending on the case. Hope this helps.



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Thank you ijn1944! and Coinfrog!!

Thank so much mikecents!! You really read my mind, I was wishing that you show me what is the difference between them with images That was very helpful, now I can see the difference.

Edited! I was looking at Cuds on Coins, I believe they don't have one like this listed yet, so I will send this to JC.
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Thank you Dearborn!!
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You're doing a nice job with pics to help us help you and paying attention to what we explain. It's refreshing, thank you!
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I was looking at Cuds on Coins, I believe they don't have one like this listed yet, so I will send this to JC.
They do not and you could have another discovery coin!
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Thank you mikecents, at the beginning I was really bad with the images

Im glad that I found this community family, for me is a privilege to be here and I learned a lot from you guys! Thank you!!

*They do not and you could have another discovery coin*

Yes
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