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1810 "Spanish Eight Reale"

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Working through my BIL's collection, I found the coin below. It was marketed by "National Collector's Mint" in 2016, per the paperwork accompanying the item, which includes a COA and marketing brochure. I'm aware NCM has a sketchy reputation.

The marketing collateral claims "it contains 377 grains or 27.6 grams of .903 Pure Silver. Several on-line calculators show 377 grains = 24.43 grams, so there's a red flag. . .


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I searched the bay for like examples. There were several with identical features but nothing with this finish

I'm disposing an estate and don't want to list this under false pretenses. Thanks.
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Cptbilly, it looks like it has been severely polished. Can you provide the weight, diameter, and a pic of the edge?
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polished, plated or fantasy issue (souvenir)
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Cptbilly, it looks like it has been severely polished. Can you provide the weight, diameter, and a pic of the edge?


27 grams. Diameter: 39mm

Edge:

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Not an expert with these. You need input from Swamper Bob about this coin. He is the man with knowledge of this series. On the reverse the oM mintmark indicates it was struck at the mint in Mexico City. This coin just looks off to me. This coin should weigh 27.06 grams. Fineness should be .896 silver with a total actual silver weight of .7797 Ozt. Hope this helps some.
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Cptbilly, this is the closest I have to yours. A friend of mine found this while metal detecting in the area of an old Spanish fort by New Orleans. It's been cleaned a bit harshly, and most of the edge is still encrusted. 26.35 g, 39.5 mm
Yours looks genuine, just polished.
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I looked at the NCM website; they still peddle this spurious coin but it does not look like this; it resembles the one's (on ebay) mentioned in the OP.

I'm starting to think my BIL took it to the buffing wheel mounted on the bench grinder in his workshop. . .

Thanks for your efforts, HB and Mister T. Very helpful.
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Genuine but with the typical mass marketing ruinous polish job.

My "favorite" examples of this are the Washington Mint ones in the blue felted clamshell cases... where the exposed obverses developed an extremely shallow colorful tone (that you can simply wipe off with a moderate finger rub, as the polishing prevents the toning from penetrating into the surface)... while the reverse retains the look of the coins above.
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I'm reminded that some time a while back I read that a Smithsonian worker's task was to polish the coins.
We take a dim view of that now, but to some people, back then and maybe now, they were doing nothing wrong.
I imagine sellers and buyers of polished coins come to terms regarding value.
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