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I recently have been going through some uncirculated steel pennies and pulled out a couple of the 1943-S that look like the VDDO-006 on VV. I've struggled for the last couple of months with what is Machine Doubling and what is DDO. I find something that looks EXACTLY like VV ones and then a coin expert tells me it's just Machine Doubling or a die deteriorating. I'm not even sure besides the "accepted" variety of a coin, like a FS-101, are the other coins listed on VV even a true variety or is it a Machine Doubling that someone has noted? I'm so confused at this point and disillusioned about what I see online and what I'm being told in real life. Here are the dates and mint marks of the two coins. I even have some of the MDS die cracks similar to what's described on VV.    |
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Pillar of the Community
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VDDO-006 is certainly a difficult listing to go off of. VDDO-006 is a doubled die, but the pictured coin also has Machine Doubling which is actually stronger and more noticeable than the doubled die itself. I recommend paying close attention to the descriptions of each doubled die. Note how it doesn't actually say doubling or spread or anything like that, it says 'extra thickness'. This is a Class VI doubled die (the 'VI' part of 6-O-VI), it appears different from most other doubled dies and arguably doesn't even look doubled. The letters and numerals are just thicker than normal, which can best be noticed when compared to a normal 1943 cent. In short, for VDDO-006, the doubling on the 4 is not a doubled die, but the slight extra thickness on the date (strongest on the tail of the 9 imo) is a doubled die. Your coin looks like it is either reprocessed or has strong Die Deterioration Doubling, not a doubled die. Edited by Tanman2001
09/06/2023 3:10 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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I agree with Tanman. Tanman is spot on.
Errers and Varietys.
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I think that Tanman explained this quite well.
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The coin does look reprocessed, but that might be a result of using a phone to take a picture of an LCD screen. I think you would get much better pictures and a better sense of depth by using a memory card or USB cable to download pictures directly.
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to the CCF This is I think the best site you can use to learn what is true and false. Keep at it, you'll get it. As stated, this is a reprocessed coin, not unc. That pretty much destroys any premium it would have. |
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Thanks for the incredible response! I was figuring it was MD but still holding out hope for DDO. The coin, I'm pretty sure, is original and the image is a screenshot shot from an LCD as I was stuck without an ability to connect my microscope to anything for download. Will definitely do that in the future though. Something I was still wondering, though, is the FS-101 basically the only "acceptable" variety for TPG's or would a 006 be slabbed as a DDO? |
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Quote:is the FS-101 basically the only "acceptable" variety for TPG's or would a 006 be slabbed as a DDO? Depends on the TPG. NGC and PCGS will only label FS-101. ANACS will label any of the listed ones on VV or doubleddie.com |
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You can take what Tanman said to the bank.
Very well described and I agree it sure looks processed even though the shiny-ness seems to be toned down.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Great conversation above. I do feel the coin has been plated/reprocessed.
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Posted 09/06/2023 3:21 pm
