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1861 3 Cent Silver Has Obverse Shield Behind III On Reverse Of Coin?

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Hi all, I just noticed a coin of mine on ebay that has a obvious minting error. Is it an error of significance or does it make little or no difference? I didn't even notice the error until I had listed the coins. 1861-3-Cent-Silver-Has-Obverse-Shield-Behind-III-On-Reverse-Of-Coin?



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It's a die clash! Not a bad looking coin!
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Nice die clash!
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Heavy die clashing from the obverse shield, very common in silver trimes and should not affect the value significantly.
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 Posted 09/09/2023  11:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Regency Store to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ah thank you! I was thinking I struck error gold, alas no.
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Here's a Clash Overlay for your coin. I tried to rotate the image to match the die clash position.
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Nice clash - and yes common for the series. Nice photo representation Yokozuna! If you don't know what a die clash is, I see lots of comments that this coin has it, but no explanation of what it exactly it is.

A die clash is a type of error coin that occurs when two coin dies, the obverse and reverse dies come together without a coin between them.
this can leave an impression of each die (one or both) on the other die, which in turn leaves a bit of the other sides design impressed onto coins struck from that point on. When they are discovered by mint employees the dies are usually pulled from service and polished if the clash is not too severe, then replaced back into rotation. Repeated clashing can cause other errors to appear, such as die cracks/breaks as the die fails, Cuds, (chunks of the die that fail and fall out), and shattered dies, usually leading to a replacement of the offending die.

Some series are known for heavy die clashing, Three Cent Nickel and silver coins, Shield nickels, Two Cent coins, Indian Head cents, Morgan dollars, are all series that have quite a few well known issues with die clashing, though they can happen on any coin.

There are even off denomination clashes known, a few are the Flying Eagle cent clashed with a Seated quarter and $20 double eagle, a Two Cent Piece clashed with an Indian Head cent come to mind, These had to be created on purpose through minting mischief as the dies of two different series of coins would never be used at the same time on the coining presses.
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Good explanation by @westcoin.
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The other thing to look for (again not valuable) on 3CS is PIDT - Progressive Indirect Die Transfer. This occurs when a die is overused and portions of the design transfer between dies through the struck planchets. It's usually only visible on the field of the coin.

On 3CS this is most commonly seen as a ghost of the star on the obverse. If you look at the overlays, that's about the only significant part of the obverse field directly opposite a reverse die element.
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Here is the website I couldn't remember I had wanted to share on clashed coinage:

https://www.maddieclashes.com/

Some great information and photos there.
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Very nice Die Clash!
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Just a reply to say thank you for the responses!
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