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1905 IHC, Is It Legit ?

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Can't figure out what the second strike is.

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Well the reverse looks pretty normal--just flattened features but that obv is interesting. I've added a pic below to save for prosperity. However, I don't see how this was done at the mint, so no I don't think it was an error. Maybe it was going to be made into an elongated cent, but somehow mostly didn't connect with the part of the die that transfers a new design?

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The reverse of said "error" coin, for posterity.
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Yeah I can't figure out the word on the second strike. Strange coin.
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Looks like BROKE. I'm thinking a "never go broke" cent that got struck and elongated by the encapsulation process or the die that makes the horseshoe thing. Seems to have the same font and textured background.
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 Posted 09/12/2023  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you nailed it kbbpll.
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Agree that's a great theory, but just can't exactly understand how it happened.
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You might reach out to TEC (https://tecnews.org/) to see if anyone there recognizes it.
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This really interests me. Certainly not a mint error.
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I'm gonna pass on it but wanted to see if anyone could figure it out. Kbbpll nailed it, same background texture as the lucky penny capsule.
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Seems like the striking of the encapsulation piece and putting the coin in there had to have been automated, given how many of these things were produced. So if they struck the shell and pressed in the coin in the same process, I can see how a coin goes in but not a blank for the shell, then gets struck partway into the shell's die. Conceptually at least. Not sure how it would have gotten elongated.
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Can't thnk of any other explanation.
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Definitely damage for sure. PMD.
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Sorry for spamming the thread but sometimes I can't stop digging. This one is a better match, with the scroll accents at the red arrows. Not quite exact, but close. You can see how the blank space in the encapsulation below the horseshoe banner would have obliterated the rim area on the coin in a similar shape. I think it's only elongated in that area and the rest of the coin is still round. We don't have an edge view but I'd guess the coin is thinner just in that area. It sold for $30.

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Agree, well done.
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