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Would like to hear some perspectives on this coin. Thanks.   |
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Pillar of the Community
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Nice pic. Some of the verdigris a bit too heavy on the reverse to escape detailing if you slabbed it ... I'll bet this could be lessened with careful treatment using something like verdi-care.
I'm at XF40. (Edit --- I'm wrong about this. See below).
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09/14/2023 10:57 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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No need to slab it
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Pristine - can you point out the curculation wear that you see?
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Bedrock of the Community
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MS-63. Also not sure that this coin has verdigris. I've seen green toning on coins. It could be verdigris but it seems more like toning floating over beautiful uninterrupted luster. Nice color too.
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I'll say not less than AU-58, perhaps low MSBN. Not a fan.
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Pillar of the Community
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Also not sure that this coin has verdigris numismatic student - you are correct, not verdigris but the start of a green patina. |
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Not a fan. Coinfrog - can totally appreciate that, surely not for everyone. I tend to have a thing for multi-colored coppers for some reason :-) |
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Sorry I should have looked on my PC rather than my phone -- there's definitely more detail than I saw originally. The pic was so striking I figured I could see everything on the small screen.
It's AU. The strike is pretty soft in the lowest locks, but I still think there are wear spots on the brow and the highest points of the wreath. I also see patches where the green tarnish is progressing to verdigris -- especially on the reverse.
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09/14/2023 10:59 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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I'd say AU. I think I can see some circulation wear, on the high points.
Errers and Varietys.
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Thanks all. So here is the deal, I actually do plan on sending this in for grading. Wait, what? Read on first please.... I know some will scoff about giving money to a TPG for such a common date coin as this. However, I have little vested interest in the coin itself. My ultimate goal is to try and establish a baseline for my own coin conservation work. I really have no idea as to the how, when, or why a TPG issues straight grades on conserved coins. I gather most of us are clueless on that point. This was a ground find as some of you likely guessed. I did not mention at first because I did not want that information potentially influencing any grade opinions. Simarily, the TPG will not know although I suspect they could sniff it and tell me the exact date and hour of the day it was dropped. I feel it conserved wonderfully and I'm willing to pay the $37 dollars (coupons) to see what PCGS comes back with. If it DETAILS (CLEANED or ED) then I know - at least for coppers - that the best possible conservation outcome would likely never straight grade. If not DETAILS, I have my baseline (sort of - we all know each day is different with TPGs). I think that data point is worth the spend, at least in my world of metal detecting for coins. As found on the left, as conserved on the right (Acetone, VerdiCare)   There are loads of healthy and free, collectibles coins in the ground and I intend on adding as many as I can to my collection. If some have the possibility of straight grading all the better. |
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Fantastic results!
Looking fwd to the outcome...
smat
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I'm going to say it will come back as AU details. looks like it was a dug coin, nice cleanup though with the verdicare.
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Agree, well done, but doubt it will straight grade.
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Pillar of the Community
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I did a final Acetone bath in an attempt to remove any chemical indication of VC. Certainly would be pleasantly surprised if I get a straight grade but I'm expecting DETAILS. I'll provide an update in a month or so.
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looks like it was a dug coin panzaldi You are hitting the mark with this statement, precisely why I am sending in this test. TPGs make no mention, provide no direction, on 'recovered' coins. NGC straight-graded the dig finds from the Kentucky Hoard ( https://www.ngccoin.com/news/articl...-war-coins/) and NCS did conservation work on all of them. So unless that was a pre-negotiated outcome I'm not convinced it is as cut and dry as 'dig' vs 'no-dig'. |
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