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New Member
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Hello there Coin Community, I have spent a lot of time researching and searching for doubled dies,errors, and unusual or rare varieties of coins recently and a few questions have come to mind. I would love to hear your input on these topics if you would please take a few moments to chime in on 1 or all of them.
1. I have been using Wexler's Coin and Die Varieties. I found this site fairly early on and have found it to be easy to navigate with a ton of info on many coins. What is your opinion on using doubledie.com as a fairly new collector?
2. For collectors familiar with Wexlers, am I jumping in too deep too early by attempting to use a resource so detailed so early on?
3. Is there a simpler way?
4. What is your favorite resource for identifying doubled dies, errors, and other varieties and why?
5. What are the best resources to identify the newest doubled die variations? I would like to begin searching for verified doubled dies and rare varieties in 2023 coins, but having trouble locating resources for this.
Thankyou so much in advance.
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Moderator
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I use Variety Vistas - it is fairly comprehensive and much easier than Wexler's (in my opinion) to navigate.
Usually when I look for Doubling, RPM's, or other varieties. First, I'll sort out my coins by year and mint. Then I go to VV and see what has been reported and go to the coins and look for that. Second, I got to CCF if I think I have something not listed.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I also use wexlers a lot more than any other site but you should be using other sites as well . Not all things are listed on wexlers being familiar with other sites can be helpful. Because I look at wheats I also use copper coins which I like the fact they will give a rough value of the verity based on grade of the coin.
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Pillar of the Community
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Yes, use all 3 sites. I use coppercoins the most due to the quality of pictures and pictures of the die markers. Wexler's if not listed on Coppercoins. Pictures of coins are great as well here. Mostly only has the description of the die markers though, some rare pics of markers. VarietyVista is my last go to. Picture quality isn't great, and almost never has die markers to confirm, but has the most all around US coin varieties as far as. .01 ,.05, .25, .50, 1.00 coins in one location. https://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/date.php
Edited by kurdlezuit 09/19/2023 10:14 am
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Pillar of the Community
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I do nickel coin roll hunting, so I use Brian's Variety Coins a lot. BVC is basically the nickel portion of the Wexler doubled die site, but Brian Ribar is keeping it up to date. You can find many listings for 2006-2023 nickels there. I also use Variety Vista, although I disagree with Dearborn that VV is easier to navigate than Wexler. One thing that makes doubleddie.com easier to navigate is that it puts many listings on one long page. That way, you can use the Find function in your browser to easily search for text strings. On VV, you have to navigate each listing using those clunky buttons, and it isn't easily searchable with your browser tools. For the most popular doubled dies, you can't beat PCGS and NGC VarietyPlus. To just get an overview for a particular denomination, NGC-VP is the best. They don't have as many pictures for diagnostics, but the top-down overview is the better than any others. For Cherrypicker Guide varieties that are attributed by PCGS, you can't beat their full color pictures. The diagnostic sites (WDD, BVC, CC, VV) give you only tiny pictures of the details at high magnification, often only in grayscale. For popular Fivaz-Stanton varieties, you can use the diagnostic sites to identify the interesting features, then look up the coin on PCGS directly. It is super helpful to be able to see the entire coin in high resolution color. Remember that for any coin where you can view the image in their viewer, you can also download a much bigger file version from the upper right corner icon. Often PCGS will have multiple versions of the coin posted in different grades, so you can see what the variety looks like with different levels of wear, strike sharpness, toning. I also find it helpful that if I am not sure that a particular feature is distorted by doubling, I can simply navigate to the standard version of the coin and examine those high resolution images for comparison. One feature that is buried on the PCGS coin pages is a drop-down box for varieties for a particular coin, allowing you to switch between the regular and variety pages. One place where Variety Vista does shine is the overview of mint mark styles, the summary pages for DDO / DDR for all dates and mint marks, and the listings of design changes for the obverse and reverse. Embedded in those pages are a lot of FS varieties and collectible wrinkles concerning rare mint marks, rare OBV/REV pairings, and quirky design varieties that aren't DDO / DDR/RPM. One last site that seems to escape notice sometimes. GreatCollections.com is an auction site focused on variety coins. Accounts are free. One thing that you can do is look at historical auctions, particularly recent coins, for the variety you are researching. Grab the NGC, PCGS, ANACS certification numbers off the slabs. Many of those will have been imaged on their web sites. That will also let you see what the variety coin looks like in full color across the entire surface, although sometimes the resolution isn't that great (apparently you have to pay extra for the high quality imaging service).
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Pillar of the Community
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VV is most up to date and complete on both major and minor varieties, is easiest to navigate, and is my go-to for anything I need attributing. Almost all significant varieties are listed on VV.
If what I'm looking at is relatively minor, and I don't find it on VV, I go to CC and dig through the listings. I have found a few coins on there that weren't on VV but generally they are "too minor to list" by CONECA so don't show up on VV. There are gray areas.
Wexler's site is an excellent resource for learning about varieties, but not so great (yet) for attributions. There are folks working to fix this and have images available for many more coins, but it takes a lot of time to make this happen.
CONECA's "Master List" is still in its infancy and CONECA is MIA for any communications, so no idea when things will improve there. I was very encouraged by CONECA's new attribution process, and got several new varieties listed, but that was over 2 years ago and they are still not in the Master List. I've seen no responses from CONECA folks for almost 2 years.
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New Member
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Thankyou so much for your replies everyone. Sometimes I feel like I am looking too hard and need to let up, bit it drives me crazy when I find 1 or 2 of the occourances on a particular variety but can't match the last 1 or 2 markers. I'll definitely check all of these out.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Another one to check out is crdievarieties.com. I have quite a few Doubled Dies that I discovered listed on there. The pictures are really good too.
Errers and Varietys.
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Pillar of the Community
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1. Wish all the new collectors here would use it. The number of confused posts here that could be saved by someone just checking Wexler's is immense.
2. No. Absolutely use it.
3. Not really. You just get better at using the resources that are out there efficiently as you do it more.
4. Variety Vista, Wexler's, and Coppercoins are the three main sites for varieties. In general, they have more or less the same information presented in different ways with different indexing, but there are certain things that will be on one site but not another because it simply hasn't been submitted to all three sites yet. For errors, check out error-ref.com for information on general error types and what they look like. For die events, maddieclashes and cudsoncoins are useful resources as well.
5. That really depends, but I find that in general, Wexler's keeps more up-to-date information on ultra-modern coins, while VV and CC lag behind a bit in attributions for the latest dates.
Edit: as E&V said, crdievarieties is also good. It was founded by Billy Crawford, a renowned variety expert, and passed to Tanner Scott, who recently took over Wexler's as well. I don't know if he plans to merge the listings or keep them separate. Tanner is one of the most knowledgeable users here on the forum, and goes by Tanman2001
Edited by SamCoin 09/21/2023 12:14 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Forgot to mention CONECA for nickel DDO / DDR. For whatever reason, nickels and wheat cents appear to be the only functioning sections of their website.
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Pillar of the Community
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I use pcgs coinfacts for most of the varieties I look for, variety vista as second. Coinfacts has full coin pictures and lets you figure out die markers, mint mark positions, etc. The only downside is that it is only for certain recognized varieties.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: It was founded by Billy Crawford, a renowned variety expert, and passed to Tanner Scott Nope, Crawford had nothing to do with it, I created the site. I changed the way varieties were listed there in the past because I thought it would be confused with Crawford's work. I guess that backfired. Most of the dies on CRDieVarieties will probably get added to Wexler's eventually. A lot of them I'd like to rephoto, so it'll take a good amount of time to do that.
Edited by Tanman2001 09/21/2023 4:52 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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If you are re-photographing the reference coins, might I recommend including a color photo of the entire coin face? That helps to put the features into relative perspective, and is currently only available on PCGS.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: might I recommend including a color photo of the entire coin face? I don't think that would be practical or even useful for most of the varieties that I would be retaking photos of. (Most of the listings on CRDV are extremely minor) I do try to be diligent and find as many die markers on each coin that I can to note and picture on each listing, if your need for full coin pics is for attributing coins yourself. And I just want to say that this rephoto-ing project is for waaay down the line. There's a lot of other things on the site that need to be worked on first.
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Pillar of the Community
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@Tanman my bad! I thought I had heard that somewhere, but must have just gotten some wires crossed
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