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New Off Center Rotated Die Clash (Mad Clash) On Edith Kanaka'ole 2023 P Quarter

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I sent copies of this 2023-P Edith Kanaka Ole' Quarter to Ken Potter and Coin Q & A on Facebook and all seem to be in agreement regarding my error coin, That it must be a rotated offcenter dieclash with the edge of the reverse.

I made an overlay that pretty musch shows what I believe to be the protion of the reverse that clashed with the obverse. I am waiting on Ken to guide through the process of getting this extreme clash attributed through Mad Clash. It is a slow process (Ken has been fighting covid recently as well).

Any comments are welcome. Has anyone else seen this clash at all?


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 Posted 09/20/2023  02:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's one nice Rotated Die Clash! I hope Ken beats it and gets better!
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I call it my "Ho" clash since it was most likely caused by the "ho" on the edge of the reverse as seen in the overlay.
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 Posted 09/20/2023  02:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tigershore to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can see a faint "o" on the third pic just below the 2 "h" lines, starting from the top pic going down.
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Hey that is a pretty neat find @tig and not something that we commonly see here. Thx for posting it!
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I don't think this is a clash from one of the outer letters given it's a raised mark, but it could be from "EDITH KANAKA'OLE".
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Maybe the "H" in Edith.
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Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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I have been working with others including some of the error groups and Ken Potter and the only thing that works on the overlay is the "ho" on the outer rim of the reverse. Some others much better than I have tried to amke the centered reverse overlay work and it does not. I can fing them as he posted them on the site in Facebook and all agree the outer rim fits perfect. But I appreciate your feedback, I want to be doubly sure. Mad clash is reviewing it now.
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 Posted 09/21/2023  11:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tunnioc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Scroll down a bit for coop's overlay.

http://goccf.com/t/439909#3788494
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I'm not convinced either.

It appears the bars look similar to the vertical legs of a capital H, or small h, above or below the horizontal H bar. The adjacent o might line up with a MAD clash from the reverse ho.

There looks like there might be a very slight curve to the clashed ho, similar to what is seen along the reverse E ho.

Is it possible to have been misaligned that much, and then clashed? From the reverse edge to the obverse center.

Have any other examples been found?

Nice find and interesting
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It is the E from OLE, rotated a bit.
Nice find!
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to the CCF!

I'm working on a Photoshop overlay to match these marks. I'll post it tomorrow IF I can get things to match up!

Really interesting coin!
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Here's the overlay I came up with. I have to say the clash mark really does seem to match the lower case h. I checked several other alignments but none of them matched.

I used an image of the obverse, did an insert of the clashed area and then did the normal reverse overlay with an offset and rotation. I can't be sure this is correct, but it's really close!

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 Posted 09/28/2023  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yokozuna- as Tanman pointed out, this raised feature could not have come from the "h" which was an incuse design on the die.
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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