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New Member
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Hello, I've been collecting Canadian and komsco coins for about 3 years now. Not too many, maybe 20 or so. Some were gifts. I've been thinking of buying a gold coin or a silver 1oz at least every year and it got me thinking about collecting circulation coins and I wanted your thoughts. Here's what I've learned so far; Collecting bullion based coins like 1oz silver maple leafs, commemorative silver coins like the Klondike gold 1oz coins, etc provide some extra "investment" security in that you at least own the bullion. Problem is you're paying a premium to buy over a standard SML as an example. Collecting circulation coins seems like a mixed bag. Most folks say don't if you're looking to make money, do if you like the coins. Collect only the best examples you can find and specialize in a type and year like dimes from 1920-1959 as an example. Most of the things I read seemed to emphasize collecting errors or rare coins. All in good condition. Problem with Circ coins is the massive mintage. So here's my questions for you Say I want to collect toonies. I'm thinking they're new so not as many to collect. They are circ, commemorative, and some bullion. They're big so the art on them is nicer as compared to a quarter. Kinda. In terms of collecting coins, is it valuable to other collectors like yourselves to find a collecting of circulation toonies in good condition? Like if I had the series from 1996 forward in regular Circ good condition, no errors or anything else, is that even a collection worth putting together? Any demand for it? Would it increase in value over 20 years type thing? What if I just did the commemoratives only? What if I did the Circ and commemoratives? Oh snap, what if I did the Circ, commemoratives, and errors? Or would it be better in terms of investment and enjoyment to collect either only commemoratives because I like the look and errors? Moving on from Circ for a moment. But before I do, would it be a good idea to collect toonies or some other cad Circ coin as above and also do below or keep it more narrow? I've read the RCM produces a ton of Circ coins in general and is doing similar things with their collector coins. There seems to be very little agreement from collectors on what RCM coins will increase in value. Like the Chinese New Year coins or group of 7 as examples. Superman coins seem to do well. I want to buy at least 1 1oz or more silver coin a year. Ideally a gold 1 to. Given the cost of gold, I'll likely stick to a maple leaf. Silver is interesting to me because it's more affordable and has the art angle. I bought the concave 1oz silver gold pan, a few silver Royal cyphers, and an UHR maple leaf so far. In terms of a collection though, it's kinda all over the place. So I've been thinking of collecting one of the things below. What are your thoughts? - there are 2 UHR silver maples. 2022 and 2023. What if I collect just those? - there are concave and incuse coins. I really like the look. What if I focus on 1 or the other? - what about the remembrance day coins? They started in about 2004 and don't make them every year. I could collect all of them: quarters, silver, gold, etc or focus? There are some I like like the 2020 concave poppy, the murano glass poppy, and the war helmet. All silver coins. There are a bunch of quarters that could be added to the collection. So my challenge here is what's the demand? Mintage is mixed on the silver, not terribly low, and the quarters are well, just quarters. Would a collector be interested in a remembrance coin collection with 40 years worth of coins in it? Or should I focus on the maple leafs? They seem to be in demand and sell easily. Maybe collecting the ultra high relief maples and the random assortment of silver coins I happen like is a better way to go? Should I do this alongside a Circ coin collection? Thank you!!!
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Moderator
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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You are not the first person to ask this question, and the answer we usually give is "collect what you like".
I would reiterate that if you collect and hope to profit, you will likely be disappointed. If you collect high end coins they will be easy to sell and you will likely be able to get most of your money back if you do sell.
Toonies are too readily available in less than very high grade to retain any value beyond face value, in my opinion.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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I'm old and confused by your title. All Canadian circulation cons are RCM minted. Collect what appeals to you , this is a hobby not an investment vehicle, otherwise you are headed for disappointment..
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning... -from PCGS website
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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 Buy what coins interests you, not what may or may not go up in value. Remember, if you buy something then sell it down the road with an auction company, they will charge a ~20% buyers premium and may also charge you up to 10% sellers premium. On top of that, the buyer will have to pay tax if not gold or silver bullion. Hard to make money in that situation unless you hold something very high end for an extended period of time. Even then, who knows! Invest in the stock market. Buy and hold low cost index ETFs.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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My personal thoughts and how I collect Canadian follow. Note I lived n the US close to the border when I started collecting in 1968. Circulation finds back then allowed me to fill most of the holes in my Whitman Canadian coin folders from pennies through quarters from 1936 onward. Through purchases, I went back to 1922 on pennies and nickels. I still find the nickel set's appearance, metals, and mixture of the two just amazing from 1936 through the 1950s. I stopped collecting Canadian coins by year around Y2K. The reason being I did not like the everyone's grandmother effigy of HM the Queen, and I got tired of every time it rained the RCM decided to put another REV on the quarters. Granted, the US followed this pattern with their never ending new designs on our quarters. It's just not for me, but I DO understand how people enjoy looking for the designs and I think it a good way to get kids interested. One other factor for me was that since clad coins lose value over time, I did not mind putting away one coin per year, but more than that starts to add up, and I had to ask myself, "Why?" Adding more and more to something that will never be worth as much as it was when I started just seemed futile. Insetd I will spend times finding non-micro-detail error coins (more on that below). Again...that is ONLY my opinion and I totally understand anyone else's views are just as valid to them b/c hobbies are about what WE like. And just like I cannot give a logical reason as to why royal purple is my favorite color, cannot explain why I just happen to have come up with the above reasoning. Error coins: there has been a surge in error coin hunting since microscopes became dirt cheap and people thought using scopes to find collectable errors (without prior studying to identify damage from true errors) was not only the best way to go, but would make them fabulously wealthy in a short time (thanks to endless ebay auctions that are not true coin errors and endless you-tube click bait videos). The TONS of errors listed online at reference sites such as varietvista.com make wonderful references, but the vast majority of thos errors also not worth a premium..and most likely never will be. The reality of looking for errors to collect can be very fun while enjoying the hunt. But as for making money off of it or investment...I personally see it as a bit better than the futile effort (mentioned above) of putting away 4 clad quarters per year that will only lose value. However, I don't collect errors unless I already have a complete year/MM set, and even then I only collect the ones that show the error easily (unlike so many modern coin DDOs where the error is only from thickness or very hard to see doubling). As an example, look up the 1974-D DDO half dollar. Not really worth much, but an easily seen DDO and fun to find. Commemoratives from the RCM: The RCM lost me a long time ago with these. It used to be I could get a "complete set" of special issue coins before the RCM became a warehouse for re-defining what the word coin meant and (Seemingly) endlessly producing so very many new and ridiculous things annually. Some of their idea were cool...but certainly stretching what the word coin smeans: Such as their carousel coin. Gluing glass bugs to coins, making glow in the dark coins, calling silver bars coins (like Captain Canuck) etc. was just too gimmicky for me and cheapened the RCM being an institution celebrating Canadian heritage. The flashy and ridiculous, to me, overcame what had once been a historically respectable institution. No theme is beyond the scope of their grasp for making something, labeling it a coin, and selling it at an inflated price. I know my sentiments reflect what was said by Canadians on this forum when all of this was starting. OK...I did make a few exceptions. I have the Bigfoot Privy marked Maple Leaf, the Bug Bunny 20 for 20 coins, and the RCM annual report 2005 silver nickel (and a very few more special edition silver nickels). However, my love of Canadian coins is over the old ones. Almost exclusively the new stuff rates behind my interest in watching grass grow.
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Pillar of the Community
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Collect Victoria coinage from the start to the arly 90's in as good of a grade as you can. You can have fun doing it and you may find some errors as well. The only people hat make money off bullion coins is the minter and the gold/silver mines.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Silver is at a relatively high point now, maybe some upside as a collection, but plenty of downside risks. If you want to invest in silver, consider a high yield gic until silver drops. Regular Circulation coins after 1953 are not a good investment. Some high grade PL from 50's early 60's are very strong, especially silver cameos. RCM nclt is highly likely to drop on value. Would not go here unless you are buying at melt or around FV, even then be careful the 100 for 100 series can sometimes be found at a slight discount due to pain of getting money back. Vickies, Edward's and geogrs can offer some upside, but prices are high, so who knows how long that will last. Good luck, enjoy and hope you find a path that works
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Moderator
 Australia
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Lots of questions here. Let's see if we can break it down somewhat. Quote: Say I want to collect toonies. I'm thinking they're new so not as many to collect. They are circ, commemorative, and some bullion. They're big so the art on them is nicer as compared to a quarter. Kinda.
In terms of collecting coins, is it valuable to other collectors like yourselves to find a collecting of circulation toonies in good condition? Like if I had the series from 1996 forward in regular Circ good condition, no errors or anything else, is that even a collection worth putting together? Any demand for it? Would it increase in value over 20 years type thing? First, as a very general rule, just pulling coins from circulation is rarely a viable way to assemble a valuable collection. Unless you really know what to look for in terms of errors and varieties, or you have exceptional luck, a face-value-obtained typical-circulated collection is still going to be worth just face value in 20 years. Also as a general rule: in terms of valuation and selling, collectors generally don't want to buy already-completed sets. If a collector is interested in a coin series, they usually already have a few examples, and don't really need or want to buy more of those coins that they already own. They will want to buy the rarer or more valuable examples out of the set, but if you force them to buy the entire set all at once, the coins they don't want will have minimal, even negative, value. So assembling coins into sets does not "add value", it subtracts value. Most coin dealers make most of their profits from buying up people's sets of coins, breaking the sets up, and selling the coins individually. Quote:There seems to be very little agreement from collectors on what RCM coins will increase in value. The RCM, like most modern minting corporations, adheres to the scattershot theory of NCLT production: make as many different types of NCLT as you can, in small mintages, and blast them out as quickly and loudly as possible, then somebody somewhere on the planet will want to buy them, and at least some of them should be popular with Canadian collectors as a whole. There is such a bewildering array of "products" being churned out that nobody could possibly obtain them all: the "must-collect-one-of-everything" collector went extinct in Canada long ago. This does mean it is effectively impossible to predict which coins will do well on the secondary market, and which will not. As a very general rule, coins that do exceptionally well tend to be coins which have a theme that appeals to both the general public, and specifically to coin collectors. War memorial coins seem to be universally popular (at least, in countries that won their wars), and Chinese New Year coins are always popular both in China proper and in the worldwide Chinese diaspora, which is why mints worldwide keep churning these things out. But if the mint marketing departments knew how to accurately predict which coins would be skyrockets and which would be flatliners, there would be far fewer flatliners out there than they are. For someone who is first and foremost a coin collector, the advice is "buy whatever you like". Don't buy things just because "they" (whoever "they" are) say "these are gunna go up in value", because "they" don't really know that for sure, and if they're wrong then you'd be left holding a bunch of coins that you never really wanted and nobody else really wants either. If you buy coins you actually enjoy owning, then you can appreciate them while you own them, and if/when you decide to sell, any increase in value is a bonus. For someone who's an investor/speculator who wants (for whatever reason) to speculate in coins, my advice would be to buy a broad spread of coins at issue price, and hope that at least some of your acquisitions are skyrockets. You could try bandwagon-jumping and buy coins that are already soaring on the secondary market, but this carries the risk that it's actually just a hype-train bubble that will come crashing back down again.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Valued Member
Canada
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Collect what you enjoy and do it for fun. Good luck!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I've focused almost entirely on Newfoundland and pre-confederation maritime. I have had a few victories finding rare coins that the dealer did not recognize. For, an 1898 obv #1, small W, recently graded at VF-30. I paid $30 for it on ebay so, assuming I sell it before I drop dead, I will have made $130 or so. But that's not a real investment and, on balance, learning how to distinguish the coin from others in the heap was the really fun part. I'll echo everyone else: it's a hobby, not an investment. If you want an investment, focus on the stock market.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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whatever you do, don't go for the Canadian Mint special releases. Most, if not all are expensive up front and a year later you'd be lucky to get half of what you paid.
but ultimately collect what you like, with no expectation of making money, let alone breaking even. hobbies COST money - coin collecting is no exception.
the best advice I can give is whatever you buy, buy the best you can afford. replacing sub-par coins will cost you more than if you had bought an expensive example from the start. pay once - cry once and don't look back. most of us had to learn that the hard way!
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