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1978 Penny Double Die

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 Posted 09/30/2023  2:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add BizzyBonez to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I think this is my first double die finally. Looking for some confirmation though. I've uploaded several pics. Thanks and hopefully I get good news.
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 Posted 09/30/2023  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is MD and a nice one.
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Agree, very nice example.
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 Posted 09/30/2023  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BizzyBonez to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How is that not a DD? Do I need to get my eyes checked cause that clearly looks doubled to me.
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Not all doubling is the same, BizzyBonez.

"The primary characteristic of Mechanical Doubling on coins with raised design elements is that the secondary image (doubling) has a flat, shelf-like appearance. On genuine doubled dies the secondary image is raised and rounded just like the primary image. Also, genuine doubled dies are characterized by a splitting of the serifs on letters with serifs, or a "notching" of the corners of the letters which are doubled. This splitting of the serifs or notching of the letter corners will not be found on coins with Mechanical Doubling."
https://doubleddie.com/144822.html
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 Posted 09/30/2023  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it's doubling, but not from a doubled die
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 Posted 09/30/2023  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lcutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are several types of doubling besides doubled dies, Mechanical Doubling, double struck, plating disturbance doubling, split plating doubling, Die Deterioration Doubling, master hub doubling, and I probably missed some!
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Use the search function to find "machine doubling." True doubled dies are collectable, but other types of non-collectable non-error doubling exists.

You are finding there is a lot more to identifying a collectable mint error than just seeing something looking doubled. This is the same with all minet errors. Most odd looking things are non-collectable damage unimportant imperfections.

True doubled dies are made when the dies created for striking coins are accidently given a doubled image. The flat and shelf-like areas your coin is showing in what is easily mistaken as being a doubled area are the dead giveaway for worthless Machine Doubling. The die was loose in the press and so "stuttered/bounced" and plowed the metal sideways making the flat shelving near the numbers/letters.

There is a lot of discussion on this forum of people trying to learn the difference.

When you do not find a match online to a doubled die, you need to start looking into different things like Machine Doubling, Die Deterioration Doubling etc. As to finding a new doubled die variety (especially one that will be worth anything and not some very minute ), unless it is a newly minted coin, it likely not going to happen. Yes, they likely have all been documented.

There have been so very many people daily searching for the varieties for so many years now (especially since microscopes became so inexpensive around 2 decades ago) that the new ones reported each year are from newly minted coins. Those stop coming in pretty much after about 6-8 months, and they are typically very small spreads and hard to see.
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I agree. You have Machine Doubling, not a Doubled Die. A nice example of Machine Doubling.
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@Bizzy.... here is a good link & educational read regarding, Worthless Doubling. https://doubleddie.com/144801.html
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