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1828 Indochinese Piastre?

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Found this coin behind a wall... any value?

1828-Indochinese-Piastre?
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Sorry, no, that is some sort of reproduction/fantasy piece. The year 1828 is impossible, French Indochina did not exist until 1887.

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I'd value it at a few bucks I'd pay for it.
I collect ridiculous pieces like this, make photos, weights & measures.
Then add pages to the albums.
I think they come from China.
Some are very good but many of them are just dumb.
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"Wrong date" fantasy coins are often made in China, but most of these fake Indochinese pieces are "home-grown", made in Vietnam, and sold to tourists.

But yes, given that Albert D. Barre - the coin engraver whose name appears to the left of the date - was only 10 years old in 1828, it is safe to assume this is a fantasy, and not some kind of trial, pattern or proof. I'd also think the Paris Mint would do a better job at making sure the date-digits lined up properly and were properly centred.
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Nice catch on the designer and date- I never thought to put those two together. What made you think about how old the designer would have been in that date?
One obvious one I had was QE II on one of those dated 1877.
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Without even looking at the date, my first thought was :
'Beware ! - lots of fakes with these Indochinese piastres'. Then, I would have examined it more closely, and (hopefully), realized reasonably quickly, that the date was wrong, as erafjel has already pointed out.
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What made you think about how old the designer would have been in that date?

I saw the designer's name, written in typically bold French style, and I knew that "1828" was long before the coins were actually issued, so presumably long before they were designed. So I looked up Wikipedia for the designer's birthdate. "1828 was before the designer was born" would have been funnier for me to say, but alas, not quite true.

Regarding the commonality of "wrong date fakes", there's an amusing story from a friend of mine. He was browsing the street markets somewhere in Asia, and pointed out to a street vendor that the date on one of his "coins" was impossible - I believe it was that Andrew and Fergie Wedding crown with "1086" for the date instead of "1986". The vendor then immediately launched into a sales spiel about how it must be a rare mint error, and doubled his price. I think the logic they are hoping for is something like "nobody could possibly be so stupid as to deliberately put a wrong date on a coin, therefore this can only have been done accidentally and must therefore be a mint error".
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