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Counterfeit 1796 Draped Bust Dollar With Edge Lettering.

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What to you all make of this one?
The edge lettering is: HUNDRED CENTS ONE DOLLAR OR UNIT with other symbols between the words.
Forgot to add: weight of 26.68 grams and a diameter of 39.4mm
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 Posted 10/17/2023  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a fake based on the date alone.
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 Posted 10/17/2023  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Reverse is a very crude copy of a 1796 BB-61 SD/LL

Obverse is a fantasy.








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The obverse bust position is similar to the 1795 off-center bust, definitely not a 1796 obverse.
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(sarcasm!)

Just list it on ebay as a newly-discovered unique transitional pattern or "mule" combining a 1796-dated 1795 obverse with a 1796 Large Letters reverse. Make sure to mention that it comes with a signed COA from renowned German numismatist U(we) R(ainer) Skrüde, better known by his first initials U.R, who estimates that when professionally certified by B.S.C.S. it will grade out at around MS63.348 on the Plinkenbinnen scale.
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The vampire's fangs were freshly sharpened on that one!
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Super fake looking. Honestly I'd never buy one of these out of a slab even if the details were perfect.
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Fake for sure.
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Look at the star closest to the date (Left Side) it is completely in the wrong position compared to the hair curls. Looks like they copied the stars off of a 1795.

Here is a photo from Martin Logies "Early Dollars-A pocket guide to Major Varieties" to compare them (Small and Large date) too:

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I call FAKE.

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Yup, I knew it was a fake, I didn't buy it. I don't remember where I got ahold of this one, the images of this I keep in my 'Fake and Counterfeit' directory. I just re-found this when I was going through my 1962 world coins to compile a list for my collection so I don't 'dearborn' any and wind up with duplicates.
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As kbbpll stated, the vampire variety of of-center bust dollars; I wrote a Coin Week article on this "family" of fakes!
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That's a pretty bad looking fake.
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