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2015 Lincoln Shield Cent. DDR

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 Posted 11/13/2023  10:58 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add RobO411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
The only one listed is WDDR-008 sent in by Tanner.
I have three other ones that is different than Tanner's.
Questions.
Would this one pass for a different DDR?
If so, sense there's other ones.
Wondering how many different dies did they have to produce and why/how so many different DDR's in that same area?

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Nice find, definitely think this one is a DDR. It's not WDDR-008 though, the extra stripe is too small.

I don't think many people look for these because there's only a handful of them listed but I have found tons. I'm not sure if they're as common as the "bar on column" Memorial cent DDRs but they're close.

I definitely believe these are the result of the die blank or working hub snapping into place during hubbing. I'd imagine it's impossible to get them lined up with microscopic precision.
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Wondering . . . why/how so many different DDR's in that same area?

I can take a stab at that question from the perspective of the lines-in-doors nickels. They are Class IX pop doubles analogous to the LSC stripe lines, extra Lincoln thumbs, Washington doubled ears, and so forth. Note that I am excluding the Tootsie roll doubling, date doubling, extra thickness, and that sort of thing, which seems to have a different (and less understood) cause.

You actually need multiple factors to line up for a visible pop double.

First, it has to be central, where the conical die blank first makes contact with the hub. Once the die and hub are fully engaged and the die has settled in the single squeeze collar, it can no longer pop sideways as it deforms into a snug fit. That's why you don't see IX.1 doubling in peripheral elements.

Second, it has to be somewhere that you can actually see the double. Imagine that the hubbing process made a line in a busy area of the design. Odds are that the continuing hubbing would just wipe out all evidence of the pop double because something else occupies that space.

Third, there has to be enough vertical distance between the doubled feature and the open area that the hub (and coin) have a right angle edge there. Otherwise the hub can't grab into the die as they meet, and then leave a dug-in feature after the die pops into its final collar position.

That's what makes then lines in door nickel DDRs straightforward to find. The door is central. It is a big, flat rectangle that is deep in the exact center of the die. The door frame and triangle lines stand up strongly on the design relative to the flat area. There are no design elements inside the door that would conceal the pop double after it forms.

I imagine that these vertical bars on the shield are the same way. That is a deep right angle edge next to a flat area. Once the pop double gouges that flat area during hubbing, there are no design elements to conceal the unintended feature as the hubbing proceeds.
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Nice unlisted DDR!
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@Brandmeister.
Thanks for the information.
Looks like you've been figuring that out, especially with your nickel hunt.
I still haven't found any like that. Just a half a box.
But I did find a buffalo with a spike.

With that info in my half of mind
I've noticed on some of the shields with or without doubling in the area between verticals 6/7/8 there's this.
I'm not home to take a picture so I'm using this.
White and red arrows pointing to that area.
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. Thanks David.
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I'm not familiar with cent coins, so you'll get better information from Tanner and others there. To me, those pictures look like a touch of Die Deterioration. That's a corner, which means it's sticking up on the die. That would be the sort of feature that would wear down as the die state advances. Any corner or three dimensional edge takes a huge amount of PSI compared to a flat surface.

I have wondered that for some of the lines-in-doors doubles that don't have clear thickness and separation. Nickels are hard coins. It's easy to imagine that sharply creased door frame starting to wear unevenly after tens of thousands of strikes.
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That type is hard to see, good job.
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