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Maria Theresa Thaler "Modern Restrike"

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 Posted 04/07/2009  6:21 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add djf1326invest to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello Folks,

I am completely lost.

I was given a coin called "MARIA THERESA THALER". I was given one that was graded by ICG and was also sold thru TELETRADE. So, I am assuming that with both ICG and TELETRADE are stating the coin is real and is fairly valuable. Am I correct in my thinking or not?

ICG also printed "MODERN RESTRIKE" on it's lable. From other articles I have read, "RESTRIKE" originally was a coin that was made at a later date of a older original coin. But, more recently it is being sinominous with "FAKES or COPIES". According to WIKIPEDIA - "Re-strike : Coin struck from genuine dies at a date later than the original issue." What is the truth?

Also, according to WIKIPEDIA - "Between 1751 and 2000, some 389 million were minted." and a local dealer "the coin was minted from about 1757 thru 2000 at different Austrian mints". What is the truth?

And, how do you tell what year it was actually minted in? How do you tell the year from a 1780 to 1896 to 1967 to 2000 if all are looking the same and are using same dies?

Can any one help me?

GOD Bless

David
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 Posted 04/07/2009  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have good reason to be confused. Both counterfeits and restrikes are coins that purport to be something that they're not. In the case of your Maria Theresa thaler, it claims to have been struck for the Austro-Hungarian Empire in the year 1780, when in all likelihiood it was not struck in Austria, and definitely was not struck in 1780.

The basic difference between a "fake or copy" and a "restrike" is the location the coin was made: a restrike is made in an official government mint, in full public view, with the knowledge of the government that controls that mint.

Counterfeit coins are made privately, and their existence is not publicised by the people that made them.

So, why were so many restrike MTTs made? They were popular Trade dollars in the Middle East, particularly among the local peoples of the Red Sea, in what is now Arabia, Yemen, Sudan, Eritrea and Somalia. The colonial authorities that ruled these areas found they had difficulty persuading the locals to accept anything other than thalers; they found it easier to create restrikes of the thalers instead. And they had to be very good replicas of the original MTTs, otherwise the locals wouldn't accept them.
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 Posted 04/07/2009  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good info provided so far, I will just add that the MTTs are essentially traded based on their silver bullion value and there is only a small numismatic premium on them. They can easily be found in nice uncirculated condition for about $20.
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04/07/2009 10:59 pm
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 Posted 04/07/2009  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Zohar, Isn't this the same MTT I bought from you?
( That I love )
I think mine was minted in the 1940's?
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Hey Folks,

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I see what you are saying. But how do you tell when they were minted (assuming the coin is real) if they all were with the date 1780?

And I assume that it came thru "TELETRADE" that is is fairly valuable?

David
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Hi,

Well ....

I picked up an uncirculated one (cased) a few years ago for £4 but I think around £10 is probably about right for a restrike

EDIT - or as biokemist6 said above "$20 or so"
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04/08/2009 4:53 pm
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