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Hey it is my first post here. I am trying to find information on a large cent? It is a 1794. It has one big error, one smaller one. The obverse was struck but not the reverse. The front bottom is also deeper stamped than the top. The top has no ridge. The date is sharp and clean. It fades towards the top of head greatly. What are the suggestions on this coin? I am pretty sure it is the one cent. It seems the planket is only half stamped instead like the half where it is all the way through the planket. All help welcome. Thanks Continuation on this coin. It is a rare coin. It is Sheldon's NC-3. The one in 1794 is near the hair. It is the rarest 1794 there is. I know the first photo was not so good. The second still is not so good. But you can see the date and hair on this one. Image Insert: Edited by zakota
05/05/2009 05:48 am
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All cents of this era were struck by hand one at a time. The planchet thickness did vary and the planchet quality was of a concern. The wear factor took its toll on many early cents. This is totally normal.
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The 1794 Large Cent was typically struck with a stronger obverse and weaker reverse. I can understand what you are saying about the obverse strike but again, without pictures, there is no definitive answer to you question. And, welcome to the CCF!
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Sounds like a lower grade S-65 (Known as the Shielded Hair variety). The dies were not parallel and the obv has very prominent denticals from about 5:30 to 9:00. They protected the date very well and the date is usually strong an clear even in very low grades. Of course the dies being close at the lower left means the dies were far apart at the upper right and it is very weak there even on high grades. As mentioned the reverse dies of the early cents were shallowly cut and the relief is not high. This results in the reverse wearing out or even becoming smooth while the obverse is still visible.
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Here are two photo's I have of the coin. I have looked at the coin under microscope and find no Grinding or file marks. Or any other marks that would point to someone taking the back of the coin off. It clearly looks as there has been no design on the back. I have seen blanks from this era. It looks plainly as a blank on the rear. I also have a 1845 that needs dirt cleaned off it. It has like a sandy pitted surface. But there is dirt in the lettering on the reverse that needs cleaned off. How is the best way to accomplish this. Dish soap and fingers? Image:  1794f.jpg63.77 KB Image: 1794r.jpg58.92 KB Edited by zakota
04/08/2009 7:28 pm
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It's a 1794 U.S. copper. At first glance I thought it was a Half Cent. What's the diameter? The reverse is completely worn away. I might be my imagination but there seems to be hints of the reverse design. It's would likely grade FR2 and certainly appears genuine. As far cleaning your 1845: Soapy water without any abrasives should help. Rinse it in cool running water and pat dry. Welcome to CCF! |
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Look at about 9:30 on the reverse- you can see the V shape of a leaf pair from the wreath but I do not see much of anything else.
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 Always glad to have new members. So where did you get that coin? Appears to be mostly a lot of wear. Possibly someone at one time used it for a pocket piece or just played around with. Some of those are still worth a large amount of money even in what is classified as AG-3. However, I would think yours is a bit lower than that due to the reverse being almost gone. |
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Edited by zakota
05/03/2009 12:38 am
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I think your 1794 is a Half Cent. Still a VERY cool coin and rare. Sweet find! |
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From the photos the 1794 does appear to be a S-65. The Chinese "fat man" dollar looks to be a Y 329.5 or .6 Year 10. Value about $16.
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nice coins you have there  |
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There is no way that is an NC-3. After looking at it again I am still of the opinion it's a S-65.
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That is what Walter Breen's encyclopedia states. Written in book quote. "1669, 1794 First Gardner head. 6 vars. (80,000) Sheldon 67-71. Maris's "Roman Plicae." Delivered Dec. 1624, 1794. The rarest var., Sheldon NC-3, has one in the date almost touching the hair, and rev. of 1670;the second rarest (Sheldon 68)has bisecting obv. break. Others are always available for a price." That is what is stated. I am only going by what is written. I really can not argue with you. You could be correct, may be I am incorrect, it is very possible.
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05/05/2009 8:08 pm
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The problem is that it isn't one of the Gardner heads. They have the lowest lock of the hair ending in a full circular loop not in a heavy hook like your coin has. Also on the NC-3 the 1 does almost touch the hair but the hair wave almost sits fully on top of the 1. On the S-65 the point of the 1 almost touches the hair.
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Posted 04/08/2009 1:37 pm
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