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Cardinal Rule. Do Not Clean?

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 Posted 12/29/2023  10:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Gigi2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is a nice-looking coin except that it looks so dirty to me. I have read that you DO NOT clean coins. Is that a hard-and-fast rule? Does it really affect the value?
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 Posted 12/29/2023  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That dime looks like it's worth a dime so clean it all you want and it will still be worth a dime.
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 Posted 12/29/2023  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DOCC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
100% pure Acetone is acceptable to most. I have had metal detecting finds straight grade with Acetone use.
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 Posted 12/29/2023  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cointagous to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let it be your learning coin and see what a difference acetone makes. You can use a dip if you have one to see the effect as well. What hurts is when someone dips a 100+ year old coin removing the old skin that time has put on it.
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 Posted 12/29/2023  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gigi2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your advice and assessment. It may time for me to start another hobby. I don't know where to start except at the beginning. I know I have a lot to learn.
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 Posted 12/30/2023  02:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The case that modern coins should not be cleaned is perhaps right,
but
almost all ancient coins and modern detector finds that have been recovered from burial need to be cleaned.

It is probable that the pictured coin may have spent a small amount of time in an aggressive soil environment.
Acetone will not help this coin.
It could have already been cleaned with good old soap 'n water to get thus far.

I have seen ancient silver and bronze coins cleaned with a soft bristle toothbrush with success, but a good alcohol soak after this treatment would help to dry out the water in the porous surface of such coins, to avoid the possibility of verdigris in bronze and billon (silver / copper alloy) coins later on.

Soap 'n water and a gentle rub with softened skin on the tips of the fingers works wonders on most gold coins (ancient and modern), in lower AU grades or less.
Every such gold coin that I have, has had this treatment before enclosing in a 2x2.

To see how museum professionals clean and preserve their coins, refer to Youtube videos.

Never touch any proof coin, irrespective of the metal, except, perhaps with acetone, and then only if required.
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 Posted 12/30/2023  07:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maine Member to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
hfjacinto Posted - Yesterday : 10:36 pm
That dime looks like it's worth a dime so clean it all you want and it will still be worth a dime.


Agree with hfjacinto. I would add that this dime would be great to experiment on.
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 Posted 12/30/2023  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually many coins are cleaned and no one cares. What you shouldn't do is Improperly clean a coin. Don't use brasso, don't scrub a coin, don't polish it. Rinse under water, put it in acetone, put it in xylene. I've had a coin with some verdigris, that coin went into verdicare for a few days then was dipped in acetone and xylene. In the end the coin wasn't worth the $$$ effort but it was a coin that was given to me by my grandmother so all the work was worth it.
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Cleaning coins is often necessary but you must know how to do it and which ones can benefit. Some coins will look worse after cleaning and if you do it wrong you can eliminate the value of formerly valuable coins. It's mostly of experience and knowledge so you want to practice on coins you don't want.

The coin above looks like it might profit from a "thumbing". Only do this on circulated coins. There is relatively little danger of wrecking a coins this way though many either can't be saved or can look worse. I can't really tell from a picture that this coin is even a candidate with certainty. Uncirculated coins should not be thumbed and if you do it anyway they must be soaked in alcohol or acetone afterward.

Once you have a good candidate for thumbing it is performed by pushing olive oil or body oil into the surface. Start on the smoother side. If it is improved do the opposite side as well. If there are any accumulations they can be gently worked with a black locust thorn or a toothpick. This is a very dirty process so plan on washing afterward.

Some circulated coins can be improved by washing or soaking in solvent but this tends to be ineffective on the the things found on circulated coins. These involve things they encounter in circulation as well as layers and layers of ancient tobacco smoke.

Uncirculated coins require a far lighter touch and no abrasives of any sort. Strong chemicals can impair or strip the luster.

The key is experience. If you want to keep the '08-D dime then find another coin that looks like it and practice on it.

It's a great hobby and the longer you're in it the more you'll know. You can even collect coins in such a way as to lead you to the type of education you want. The friendships you make in the hobby are great and coin collectors are a fascinating group of individuals.
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 Posted 12/30/2023  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tacc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Simple point...if you are going to clean a coin, never use anything to brush or rub the surface.
Just let it soak and rinse preferably with distilled water. Tap water can contain chemicals that
will alter the coin as well.
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 Posted 12/31/2023  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Shorzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi All!!

I purchased an entire roll of 1$ 90% silver West Point commemorative coins. Many of the coins have this REALLY UGLY brown gunk on the coins. This does not look like pleasant toning, more like gross tarnish. Should I really leave these coins alone and not try to clean them? I personally would not buy a coin in this condition. If I did try to clean them what is my safest bet?
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 Posted 12/31/2023  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Keith67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I personally would not buy a coin in this condition.

But, you did Start a new topic. with some photos please.
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 Posted 12/31/2023  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Shorzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK I will shortly...
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 Posted 12/31/2023  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Shorzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, didn't realize this was a new topic....,

I am sick about this...such beautiful coins in this horrific condition. These are the worst of the roll, all the rest are not this bad but still have this brownish rim coloring like picture #2. What do you recommend?


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 Posted 12/31/2023  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Shorzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also these were all in a roll and I purchased them in an online auction so I didn't see all the coins
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