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Low Grade 1909-S Indian Head

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Hi everyone!

I collect low-grade cents (including Indian Head cents) and have been reading this forum for awhile. I've recently become curious about grading, so I thought I'd post my "most valuable" coin on here for the community's thoughts.

Based on different resources, I would grade this as a "F-15 Details", but I'd appreciate others thoughts. Please let me know if it is a fake as well - I've heard this date is often faked.

Obverse (1909-S Indian Head cent)
Low-Grade-1909-S-Indian-Head

Reverse (1909-S Indian Head cent)
Low-Grade-1909-S-Indian-Head
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 Posted 01/03/2024  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree a details coin (environmental damage), but I'd grade it high VF if not EF.



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 Posted 01/03/2024  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mintmark is the correct shape and placement. Genuine VF.
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 Posted 01/03/2024  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AndisCoins,

Don't know if you are familiar with the https://www.pcgs.com/photograde/
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Thanks everyone!

I was trying to use PCGS Photograde, along with auction photos from Heritage Auctions and the descriptions in "A Guide Book of Flying Eagle and Indian Head cents" by Richard Snow (3rd Ed.).

The details in the picture look better than the F-12 but maybe in line with F-15 or VF-30 based on the auction pictures and Photograde. I wonder if there are one or two defining characteristics that best differentiate F from VF for this series?

Thanks again!

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Looks legit at first glance. I could see VF.
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That's not a coin I would call low grade. Very Fine.
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Not a low grade coin in my judgement, I say VF-details environmental damage.
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@AndisCoins, The first thing that you should be looking at it the word LIBERTY on the headband. Yours is full, complete and fairly bold along with a complete bottom line on the headband. An F-12 or even F-15 would not be as clear. In distinguishing a VF coin from an XF coin you should pay attention to the lower ribbon and if it shows clear separation from the hair curls. Your coin almost shows separation but not quite in my opinion which is why I graded it VF. Nice key date coin for your collection, Congrats!
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Thanks @MisterT, that is a very helpful description.

Based on your explanation, I'm assuming that the following 1906 would be VF:

(VF?) 1906 Indian Head cent - Obverse
Low-Grade-1909-S-Indian-Head

Whereas the following 1862 would be XF:

(XF?) 1862 Indian Head cent - Obverse
Low-Grade-1909-S-Indian-Head

I'm showing the obverse here because that was the pertinent part based on @MisterT's description - I'm aware that the reverse could change things.

Please also let me know if I'm allowed to post multiple coins in one thread or if I'm supposed to make a new thread for each coin.
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To me, both of these are high VFs, with the latter cleaned.
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VF-20 details.
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I would give the 1906 a grade of VF-20. The 1862 displays XF details but you must also consider that there is some environmental damage (corrosion) and also a previous cleaning so the grade for this is XF details- cleaned and corroded.
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To CCF! The 1909 is VF.
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i'd call it high VF details (cleaned), reverse looks like its in the XF range
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