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Green Spots On A 1968 (Or 69) Kennedy Half What Is Is Bad Clad Job.

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A soak in acetone can't hurt
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I've seen similar issues with silver coins stored in a PVC-rich environment.--not pervasive, but have seen some examples. A long acetone soak is highly recommended.
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That bright green gooey look is pretty unmistakable as PVC damage. It can be remedied but not really worth it on this coin. https://www.ngccoin.com/news/articl...onservation/
If you see anything like this being marketed as a "clad error", as your title implies, don't fall for it.
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Chemically speaking; Green Verdigris forms on copper so this 1964, 90% silver coin would not turn green
from the traditional reaction which causes Verdigris on copper.
But as stated above, would readily react with PVC and turn green from that.
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It's damage from PVC for sure, seen it many times. Soak the coin in acetone and gently use a q-tip to remove it while under fluid. It should come right off. VC will also easily remove this type of residue/corrosion.
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Ok I'll soak it,as for Verdigris I never had much experience with it so does green Verdigris happen on any coins other than copper ? I read silver clad coins get it bad but not so much the nickel clad coins,just trying to learn.
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I've never had a silver-clad version 1/2 dollar, so I can't comment on that but I do believe that any
presence of copper exposed to the right environment can absolutely cause verdigris.
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No not this coin I'm sure now it's PCV but just Verdigris in general,I read that all coins with copper can get it even gold coins but it's rare in gold and it's quite odd for a silver coin to get it but was wondering about the clads like silver clads and the nickel clads,do they get too too.
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quite odd for a silver coin to get it




I do a lot of metal detecting and conservation of my finds. I've only encountered verdigris on a handful of silver alloys - like 1 out of every 30 or so. As someone mentioned, I think the conditions have to be just right for it to happen. But it can, and does happen.
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Hi,yes I agree with you,and your coins have been in the ground so for a coin in a collection with really only air and no water contact I guess it is a not common thing,OK I learned something.
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No not this coin I'm sure now it's PCV but just Verdigris in general,I read that all coins with copper can get it even gold coins but it's rare in gold and it's quite odd for a silver coin to get it but was wondering about the clads like silver clads and the nickel clads,do they get too too.


PVC damage is caused by plasticizer degradation which releases hydrochloric acid. The acid etches the surface releasing copper from the alloy and forms copper chloride - which is a type of verdigris.

Also, to clarify, verdigris is simply a generic term for ANY type of copper corrosion that forms a salt on the surface. It doesn't matter what metal copper is alloyed with, if it's present, any acid can attack and form verdigris salts.
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What causes this bad cladding or thin cladding,bad metal mix ? Please I'm trying to learn don't make fun of me,there's so many coins I looked at and saw this one but didn't save the front image,it's about the same amount of green on the front but now I can't find the coin on the site again to take the front pic,it's a 1968 or 69 I remember though.


This is actually fairly common for all silver that's not pure, not just coins. What you're seeing is the impurities in the silver alloy, namely copper, oxidizing due to the environment. For reference, this is the same color as the Statue of Liberty (made of copper exterior), which originally was not that color when France first gifted it to us. The more copper in the silver, the more pronounced this will be. You're going to see this in 90% silver, sterling silver (92.5%), (European) continental silver (80% or some other permutation), etc. The only place where you're NOT going to see this is 99.9% pure silver.

This green oxidization is not the same as tarnish for silver, which is a noble metal, meaning that it does not interact with most elements. It does, however, interact with sulfur and compounds containing sulfur, which causes the blackish tarnish. When coin collectors say "toning," they're basically referring to silver tarnish. I always get a chuckle out of that, because "toning" is actually very common for all items made out of silver, not just coins. It appears this tarnish/toning is only desirable for coins for some reason. That said, I almost never clean my tarnished silver items, unless it's for experimentation.

Hope this helps. Cheers!
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You're going to see this in 90% silver, sterling silver (92.5%), (European) continental silver (80% or some other permutation), etc. The only place where you're NOT going to see this is 99.9% pure silver.


Amazingly, also gold, which is often alloyed with copper. The key here is PROPER STORAGE. Corrosion (verdigris) requires air and water to form. If your coins are well protected and kept at a steady, moderate temperature, they will not corrode in our lifetimes.
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I have to agree with previous posters that this is PVC damage. I doubt this will come off but you can try an acetone soak and then dip it into MS-70. At least that will remove the PVC so it won't get any worse. If this were just the scuz aka-seltzer look toning that a 50c1968-D gets from being a mint set coin that usually comes right off with MS-70. PVC is a different story in that you have to catch it early.
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