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Unidentified Pendant And Coin/ Token (Id: French WWI Medal And Spade Guinea Token)

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 Posted 02/06/2024  06:58 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jamgskn to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
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Interesting couple of items I thought might be of interest.
Grateful for anyone's thoughts.
Jim
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 Posted 02/06/2024  08:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The bottom item is some sort of well beaten up spade guinea token, of which there are many different, here is one in better shape: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/ex...a178217.html
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@jam, it is always better to start a new thread for each separate item so that we can give them all the attention that they deserve. With that said, I wonder if the badge/medal in the top isn't celebrating a victory over the Germans. It kinda looks like the guy with the rifle is holding up a captured pickelhaube.
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I am sorry, I actually thought I had started a new thread embarrassingly. #128556;
It's crazy just how much it threw me that the Guinea token was trimmed. I have many of these but my eyes weren't recognising it as such. The pendant certainly looks as described I did wonder if it was Boer War with the uniform.
Really appreciate the responses.
Jim
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The archway behind the soldier looks very much like the Arc de Triomphe in Paris.
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It really does look like the Arc De Triomphe artists impression. I'm digging down this route now, thanks for the observation.
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The style of the soldier's uniform is French, but could be that of a nation inspired by French military fashion, eg Belgium. He is wearing a helmet and puttees. The Adrian helmet was introduced in mid 1915. Before that standard headgear was a kepi.

This could easily represent a French soldier from around 1915 to 1940. I suggest around 1918-19 is more likely, firstly because of the victory-style pose, and secondly because in his left hand he is holding as a trophy what appears to be a German spiked helmet called a "pickelhaube". This helmet was replaced in 1916 front line service by the stahlhelm, but remained in public thought as a symbol of Germany and Prussia.
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Thank you for that extremely informative reply, absolutely fascinating . It absolutely fits that this may be in tribute to the First Battle of the Marne, circa 1914 .
Very interesting reading.
Much appreciated
Jim
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The first battle of the Marne was in September 1914. At that time French infantry wore the kepi and gaiters. The second battle of the Marne was in 1918. The appearance of the soldier fits the second battle. From the kit on the belt the uniform is fairly generic, which suggests the artist wasn't producing an accurate replica, more a general impression. It could well be celebrating the first battle but produced a little while afterwards.

What makes you think it commemorates the battle of the Marne?
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My reasoning would be given your detailed information and reading up on this battle, it would seem to fit the image perfectly. The Battle has become folklore in France , known as ' the miracle on the Marne'. Especially with the 'trophy' pickelhaube being replaced in 1916, it would point to the earlier battle?
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