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Hi everyone, so last November I found this strange looking 1994-D. It doesn't seem to match up with other business strike coins from 1994. It does however have similarities to proof coins from 93 and 94. I'd like to see what other people think about this coin. I've looked on PCGS website and also haven't been able to match up the Obverse and Reverse dies with this coin? The coin has a higher quality or enhanced look to it. It unfortunately isn't in the greatest condition. However, still looks pretty good! The following are my observations for this coin. The coin overall seems to have a different roundness compared to business strike coins. You can see this by going from 12 o'clock to 3 o'clock or 3 to 9. The coin seems to have a higher quality roundness to it? One Cent on the reverse seems to have been adjusted for this different roundness. The obverse die: Has a Lincoln that seems different. Also, the lettering for IGWT seems wider and larger. The 9's seem more like the 9's of a 1993-d. The reverse die: E Pluribus UNUM seems higher then regular business strike coins. Also, the top of the memorial seems smaller and different when compared to other 1994d coins. The letter for "One Cent" seems different. Possibly due to the different "roundness" of this coin. There is extra spacing in the lettering of "One Cent". In some of the images the area in between the lettering and memorial seems different or flatter? This coin is a Close AM. The 1994-s is a Wide AM proof coin. The 1993-s is a Close AM proof coin. This coin has some similarities to a Close AM proof coin. I'm not aware of any transitional error coins related to the change from 1993-s CLAM to 1994-s Wide AM. Thanks for taking a look at the coin!           |
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The coin overall seems to have a different roundness compared to business strike coins. To clarify "roundness", are you saying that business strikes are elongate or oval? I don't think it true, so I might be just misunderstanding your meaning. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Pillar of the Community
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It's just a normal coin. One of them is dirty and toned and the other isn't. That's all.
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02/24/2024 9:03 pm
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Here's a a couple pictures that show E pluribus Unum positioned higher on the coin in question. Also, the top of the memorial is smaller and looks different. I haven't found a high E pluribus Unum on a business strike coin from 1994. Actually I've tried matching this reverse up with other coins from the 90's and haven't been able too.  |
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Hey here's a picture that might show the "roundness" of the coin. It seems different. It has a higher quality roundness compared to a regular strike coin. It's the coin in the middle on the top. Thanks for taking a look!  |
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Pillar of the Community
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It's a normal coin, dude. You can stop posting pictures. Nothing to see here.
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In this picture take a look at the higher appearance of E pluribus unum, the smaller top of the memorial and the different appearance of One Cent. Those 3 design differences I haven't found on other regular strike coins from the 90's. Also, this picture shows the coin on the left has a different roundness that the lettering of "One Cent" seems to have been adjusted for. |
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Could just be an overly polished die - when the dies are polished the letters/numbers get smaller/skinnier and there is a slight loss of details on the devices.
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I agree with Marve65, the die has been polished or possibly not pressed as deeply to begin with. Notice most of the lettering looks a little thinner.
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AF1996, You have 2 spendable coins. Please no more photos...thanks.John1  |
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In this picture take a look at the higher appearance of E pluribus unum, the smaller top of the memorial and the different appearance of One Cent. A couple folks upthread have mentioned that you needn't post more pictures, but I did want to weigh in on one aspect that might result in a new picture. More specifically, I think that it is very hard to accurately compare small differences in design with side-by-side images such as you have done here. Much better would be to superimpose semi-transparent images. In that way, you can be sure to get the exact same magnification and rotation. I think that you'll find it easier to confirm or debunk, for example, whether or not EPU is in the same location on your cent. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Hey everyone thanks for taking a look at this coin! I'm sorry for all the pictures but I do think there's something different about this coin. I promise this is it for the pictures! Hey Spence I'm not exactly sure how to take that type of picture but I will look into it. Thanks! This image shows how EPU can change on a Close AM proof coin. I haven't seen this on a regular strike coin. This is a 93-s and 94-d from PCGS website.  This picture shows how to EPU of the coin in question appears different from a regular strike coin from PCGS website. It seems higher.  I don't have great equipment or experience with taking coin pictures. Maybe I should have posted these earlier to show what I was seeing. I do promise that this is it for the pictures!! Thanks again everyone for taking a look! |
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Which coin do you think was struck by a proof die? the brown one or the red/brown one - I didn't see where you made that distinction.
However in either case, both coins are business strike coin, I think the Brown one was most likely struck by a fresh new die as compared to the other one.
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I could also imagine that there is quite a bit of variation between working hub #1, working die #1 compared to working hub #20, working die #50. The master die surely degrades as it produces more working hubs, and the working hubs surely degrade as they produce more working dies. All of that variation is before a single coin is struck. Then working Die Deterioration kicks in. During the first half of the 1990s, the Mint seems to have run working dies into the ground. I can find plenty of 1990s nickels with slender, sharp lettering, and others that look like balloon animal lettering. |
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Hey Dearborn, In most of my pictures it's the coin on the left. In the picture with 6 coins it's top center. Yeah I noticed that I forgot to mention that!! I think the reverse of the coin seems more similar to a 93-s. 1. EPU seems higher then business strike coins. EPU seems more consistent with business strike coins and seems to change on Close AM proof coins. 2. The top of the memorial seems different. 3. One Cent seems to be positioned different then a regular strike coin. I had also mentioned that the coin seemed to have a different roundness. If you start at 9 o'clock and go down to 6, 0r 3 o'clock to 6 in the inner edge of the coin, it seems to be a different roundness! This coin seems to have a higher quality roundness to it that is noticeable especially when it's put next to other coins. Thanks for taking a look! I've been CRH for awhile and haven't come across a 1994d like this one before. |
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Just seems like different stages of die wear here.
My humble opinion.
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