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PCGS Gave This 1795 Half Dollar A Details Grade

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I'm interested in this coin PCGS gave it a VF Details grade. I have a lot of 179* coins and they usually get some slack. There's a tiny scratch on the reverse above the eagle's beak.

I'd appreciate opinions on whether it's a details coin and the VF grade also.The seller is asking $3400


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Probably due to the old cleaning , retoning .
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Did they list a reason for the details grade?
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I question the toning and the cheek is a little marked up. Overall it is a nice example for grade at a fair price. considering the adjustment marks offen on these, the scratch appears minor. If it was not for the toning, it most likely straight grades at 30/35.

The coin sold in 2021 at Stacks for $3120.
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The holder notes scratch VF details. The True Views are total glamor shots and make the coin look at a higher grade.
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Hard to believe they would give a 1796 coin a details grade but yes - that coin had a substantial cleaning and retoned (recently) for selling purposes.
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Probably due to the old cleaning , retoning .


Sorry I wasn't clear. Details scratches
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@cipster: "I'm interested"

I can only say - IF you want it, get it. But with a details grade it will be a bit harder of a resell if that time ever comes.
Still - it's a 1796 - a collectable coin.


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Scratches? Because of the short one above the eagle?
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The fact it has a detail grade just because it has what appears to be a scratch above the eagle is baffling. I would understand the details grade if it had a scratch that went from the top of the wreath to the eagle's wing for example but is doesn't.
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Seems an inappropriate grade based on these pics. Beautiful coin.
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Scratches? Because of the short one above the eagle?



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The fact it has a detail grade just because it has what appears to be a scratch above the eagle is baffling.


Thanks for the feedback so far. I'm seeing agreement about the scratch not being a good reason for a details grade. I'm not familiar with True View and that they are glamour shots and the coin won't look like this.
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True View and that they are glamour shots and the coin won't look like this

Very true - a bit difficult to grade coins from pictures, but now try to grade "enhanced" coin pictures..........


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Fancy toning, but the scratches would put me off.
Why not go for a nice VF30 with mellow fields like this one: https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...ar-NGC-VF-30
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There are numerous small scratches and gouges on both sides. Because of what this piece is, it would likely get a straight grade were it not for the cleaning that is as bad, or worse, than the scratches.

That said, there are certainly similar pieces that got a straight grade and there are details pieces that are much worse. With patience you'll find a low VF or F15 straight graded example that is around the same price. I'd pass.
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That sure looks purty to me. I wonder do folks ever crack out a coin like that and resubmit? Maybe on a good day it would make the grade.
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