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1961, NGC Holder PF64 Franklin.

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The question I have about the NGC grade result is this;
Did I get penalized for the toning? There are virtually no contact marks or chatter on the obverse and reverse.
PF64 seems very low for a Proof. So again, do they penalize for toning? Good news is that it straight-graded.

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1961,-NGC-Holder-PF64-Franklin.
1961,-NGC-Holder-PF64-Franklin.
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 Posted 03/10/2024  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you crop the photos and get closer in on the coin?
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1961,-NGC-Holder-PF64-Franklin.
1961,-NGC-Holder-PF64-Franklin.
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Cannot determine given the posted images.
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Still a bit hard to see what you have.
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Just in general, do you get penalized for toned coins?
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Much larger images needed.



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Not usually. They tend to give them a plus when they have nice eye appeal. Yours seems a bit dark so maybe they did. But 64 seems quite low. Are there any other marks?
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Eye appeal appears low. Luster is very low. Grade reflects those things. High Grade modern proofs should have no contact marks (or wear of course).
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I suppose cracking it and dipping it would be a higher grade chance
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My question is why would someone send this in for grading?

It would have to grade PR69 to be worth any real value and only 60 have made that grade.

You would need PR67 just to get your money back on grading costs I would imagine.

I am curious, what is the rational? What is the fascination with TPGs?
I have really been disappointed as of late with their supposed expertise.
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Can't really tell what is going on underneath the toning from pictures. Graders have the coin in-hand and can tell.

Why that coin is graded could be it was in a coin lot that was all sent in at once from an auction house to a TPG .
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Good point, especially for an off-color example like this. Money down the drain.
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Bottom line, it's an ugly duckling, I'll just say so.
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Was the coin imaged by NGC? If it was, you can give us the certificate number we should be able to look at the images in the NGC database.
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Getting a toner straight graded was my goal, just didnt expect a low ball grade for a proof w/no chatter or contact marks.
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