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Hi again. I think this one may be a bit passed it's used-by-date for identification, but I have been surprised by you members before. So I am expecting some polite sorry's, but quietly hoping for a miracle! 20mm x 18.5 1.01g guessing very debased silver. The pics tend to be out of focus here and there due to the fold in the coin which hasn't been fully flattened out. Some different lights were used to try and highlight the few features that remain.     The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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What looks like a polylobe on each side makes me think it could be a counter token? But those are usually bronze-y / brassy rather than billon.
Second guess would be something Spanish if the second set of photos have a castle or church in the left photo.
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Thanks tdziemia, I was thinking Henri VI or Spanish, but the only part of the legend I can read is V D, which doesn't seem to fit. If I squint, (something that Spence taught me  I guess there is some kind of structure, but a church or castle would be a stretch of the imagination. Anyway, I'll keep digging, thanks for the assistance. The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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Russian Federation
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What looks like a polylobe on each side makes me think it could be a counter token? But those are usually bronze-y / brassy rather than billon.
Second guess would be something Spanish if the second set of photos have a castle or church in the left photo.  on both parts. Can't quite read enough legend to be sure what it could be either... |
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United States
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It looks like it might say " _VD DEI", which would probably be followed by "GRACIA REX". I'm leaning towards it being Spanish, maybe of Castile and Leon? For example, if you look at this blanca of Juan II, the word "DEI" appears to be in the right place in relation to what would be the castle: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces122745.htmlMaybe if you can try to take more photos where the light hits the legend just right to bring out a bit more, there may be more there to go off of. Don't even worry about the focus of the coin overall, just make sure you can get a little more clarity on the legends all around that side. |
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Russian Federation
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If it's a Castilian blanca then the apparent D in VD has to be a deeply clipped S for the legend to make sense. In addition, the castle is actually upside down in the photos (as can be fairly clearly seen in the second pic), so relative to the castle, the DEI would have to start at 9h, which AFAICT is not a position that appears on Castilian coinage. Sure looks like one of theirs, though...
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@chirrrs and january1may Thanks for the information. I've put it in the too-hard basket for now. I've spent some hours already looking for something that comes close.  The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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Back again. I'm going with Castile and Leon. I took some slightly better pics (sorry about the focus) and I see the structure of the castle quite clearly within a double hexalobe, with arched doors, which helps me orientate the coin correctly. What I thought may be VD or VS is now over at 8k. I can make out the RICVS, which makes it one of the Enriques and the arched doors and hexalobe framing suggests to me either III or IV.   My problem now is the size and weight (20 x 18mm and 1.01g). Too small and light to be a blanc with that type of arched door inside a hexalobe (only around 50% of correct weight). Henry IV had some lightweight blancs around 1 gram, but I can only find the ones within a diamond frame. The 1/2 blancs are around the 1.2 - 1.4g mark, but I can't find any with the hexalobe frame. As always I am open to any / all suggestions. many thanks in advance. The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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04/12/2024 11:15 pm
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Russian Federation
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I checked the Castille and Leon entries for Numista and found just one possible match: an Enrique IV blanca from Coruna, Numista 192662. On that type the legend is ENRICVS CVARTVS DEI GRA, which matches both the newly discovered [EN]RICVS and the previously discovered V[S] DEI. Unfortunately the mintmark area is pretty much gone (it's at 6h on the new pics, right under the castle), so we probably couldn't directly confirm the mint. |
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Australia
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@january1may
Thank you so much for that.
It all fits. I think I can live without a positive mint ID !
Cheers Grant
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