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Presidential 2007 Dollar Coin

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Is motto and date on collar printed to be read with obverse up or down or did it not matter? Just found it odd that I have both.
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For business strike dollars, the edge lettering is applied to the coin after it is struck, so the orientation is random.

PCGS will label them as position A and position B.
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The edge lettering is part of the collar for proof strikes, so they all face the same direction.

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yep, random - but on proofs they should be the same as the edge gets struck at the same time as the obverse and reverse.
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Cool info, that "I did not know"!
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Just to be complete, here is an example labeled as Position A.
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Well, Ill be darn. I did not know that. Thanks for the information jbuck and Dearborn.
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Dollar coins are struck as a normal coin is, with a plain edge. The coins then drop into a big hopper. At the bottom of the hopper, the coins come out and are fed into the edge-inscribing machine. So it's literally a coin toss, which way around the coins end up landing. As such, there is no "Wrong way up", so they are not an error. They aren't even normally considered a variety; since the Mint carefully designed this process, it is "just how these coins are".

For the proof versions of the coins, as was the case for older edge-lettered coins such as pre-1933 gold, they had the lettering added to the coin by the collar die, at the same time as the coin was struck; such coins do have a "right way up", and having an "upside-down collar die" on those coins would indeed be an error. But for circulation coins, the Mint obviously decided that edge-lettered collar dies would be too slow and expensive for current high-speed production methods.
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