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Is This Black 2006 Penny A Jackpot?

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 Posted 05/02/2024  09:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add igwt79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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To answer your question:

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Is This Black 2006 Penny A Jackpot?

No.
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 Posted 05/02/2024  09:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Post-1982 cents are made of copper-plated zinc. The copper plating is there to try to protect the zinc from corrosion, because zinc is a really, really bad metal to make coins from because it corrodes so easily. America uses zinc anyway, because it's cheap.

However, this protective copper plating is very thin. It is easily punctured, by a scratch, rub, dent, or pinhole. This gap in the plating allows air and moisture through to the underlying zinc, which can then corrode. And corrode quickly; pure zinc is quite reactive and if exposed to typical Earth environmental conditions will literally dissolve in the rain, if left there for long enough.

When zinc corrodes, the corrosion by-products are less dense than the pure metal. As such, the corrosion patch wants to expand. If most of the plating is still there, then the expanding corrosion spot pushes up the plating, forming a dome - a corrosion blister, just like a rust blister slowly spreading underneath the paint on an old beat-up car. Except zinc rot spreads much faster than regular rust on iron or steel. This is what every single one of those little bumps, lumps and "die chips" on your coin are.

These blisters keep growing as long as air and water can get into them until, at some point, the "blister" bursts, the copper peels away, and a large patch of corroded metal underneath is revealed. This is what we see on the large corrosion patches on this coin: the E and N, the lump on the steps, the stuff above E PLURIBUS, and the little patch on the obverse inside Lincoln's head. The extensive corrosion present on this coin, the sheer number of burst corrosion bubbles, reinforces the theory that every single one of the smaller un-burst bubbles has nothing but a lump of corrosion underneath it. You'll notice that every single one of these places I'm calling burst blisters has dark, powdery material inside them. You can try to clean away this dark material to reveal the coin's surface underneath - but you 100% won't be able to, because there is no original surface left there, there's nothing down in those craters but corroded zinc.

I can guarantee you six billion percent that if you send this coin in to a TPG, with or without specification for specific errors, that they will not grade this coin - they will return it as environmental damage. I won't say "they see it all the time", because most people don't actually follow through with their threat to submit their corroded coins to them.

Ask any metal detectorist to show you the pennies that they've found while detecting, and you will find similarly damaged coins. Metal detectorists hate finding post-1982 Lincolns, because there's usually so very many of them because people keep literally throwing them away and they're always corroded and always worthless. Or let's see some other threads with examples of coins with similar corrosion blisters and environmental damage:

http://goccf.com/t/299133
http://goccf.com/t/332917
http://goccf.com/t/439236
http://goccf.com/t/440746
http://goccf.com/t/444838
http://goccf.com/t/455549

Or just try this simple experiment yourself: take a few perfectly normal-looking post-1982 pennies, scratch them up a bit, then leave them out in the rain for a few months. Or bury them in damp soil. Or toss them in the campfire and leave them in the damp ashes for a few weeks. I can guarantee you that at least some of those coins will attain "environmental damage", and there will be similar damage on those coins to what were seeing here, or in the other old threads I've linked to. Because whenever a zincoln gets environmental damage, it tends to look something like the OP's coin.
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 Posted 05/02/2024  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin rejector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a "jackpot", your coin is corroded & disintegrating, the cause.... environmental damage & exposure to elements. If you send your coin into a TPG, you're going to be throwing money away. If you're adamant your coin is a unicorn, I'd suggest (first) taking it into your local coin dealer/shop & just get their opinion, then come back & tell us what they told you.
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Just a corroded, probably once buried One Cent in very poor condition.
Nothing else to it, but if you do have it graded and encapsulated, post pictures!
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Agreed with the comments. Just a corroded cent. PMD. It's a spender.
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Thank you guys for all of the knowledge, sorry for any harsh comments I might of made, you guys took me to school on this one lol
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ebay shyster auctions and clickbait misinformation have a lot of people asking the same questions you do:


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How does environmental damage give this coin all of the chips...

Chips as in die chips or missing metal from the coin being hit while in circulation? Coin,like everything else, get damaged when handled, dropped, thrown, slid on the floor, etc.

Insignificant (raised) die chips have always been a part of coins and are not valued by the hobby.


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... misplaced dots...

When you know the die making process, you will understand why extra design elements (not on every coin from that year) seem to be on a coin, that extra element has to be post mint, paridolia, or inconsequential things as mentioned above.
How coin dies are made/used:
https://www.coinnews.net/2014/01/06...oduce-coins/


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...a floating roof...

One of the biggest and worst pieces of misinformation born of ebay shyster videos is that the so-called floating roof is anything rare or valuable. When you know what die polishing is (done to all dies to preserve their life), you will know shallow details of the die are commonly polished off making something for ebay shysters to hopefully make a big deal out of and sucker people out of their money. Sadly, when a term like this gets thrown around enough, the grading companies start to see dollar signs and offer to mention something like this on a label. But, just as with the 2005 "detached leg Buffalo nickel," these type of things do not hold their value with time, and people end up losing a lot of money over them.

At first 2005 detached leg buffalos were selling for hundreds of dollars. Now mainly only the MS70 examples bring any real premium and that is b/c the slab has an MS70 on it so there is still a bit of a competitive market for these slabs from people filling their registry sets.


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and a clear "S" embedded in one of the columns?

Pareidolia. And again, if you will take the time to understand how coin dies are made you will know this is just Pareidolia. Your answers will be clear once you take the time to learn that info.


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...a jumble of dye [sic] chips looking like a bunch of grapes in the word "IN" in "IN GOD WE TRUST?

See above. Die chips are common and unless huge and dramatic are ignored by the actual hobby (though not on ebay!)


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I haven't been in numismatics long but I can definitely say that NONE of those 3 things can be caused by "Environmental Damage" that's CRAZY!!! SMH can anyone else share some "Valid" insight to what I have? No disrespect to the few that commented but y'all really sound like some haters RN. I need "logical" opinions please, thank you

By saying "no disrespect,"I hope you can also take something typed in reply as just fact and not consider it to be disrespectful.
1. Why in the world would anyone here tell someone they don't personally know , you, lies about a coin? You are being too sensitive thinking anyone here would single out a stranger to pick on, and certainly there have been no secret threads of "who do we gang up on today?"
2. You came here seeing expert advice, which was wise of you, but now, although you say you are new to coins, you are saying that somehow you know more than the experts you came to for help!

These ideas about what you are seeing on your coin are posted in other threads to his forum all the time in response to people who have been misguided by ebay shyster auctions. We have a LOT of people coming here for help who think think they are going to hit the jackpot with every tiny little anomaly they see on a coin.

3. I a hoping since you are a newbie seeking help that you will take the TIME to review the things said (such as the link to how coin dies are made).

Otherwise al I can say is we tried. Go ahead and pay the 200.00 to send it to PCGS (they charge membership fees etc.). Tell PCGS everything you see on it, and have them send you back your penny in what we call a body bag with a note attached that you have a damaged coin.

As you get further into the legitimate coin hobby, you may also come up against the reality that coin grading companies have a main goal of having you as a customer and being paid by you.

In contrast, here you will find friends not wanting any money, just as knowledgeable (and moreso as proven in posts on the forum) as the coin grading company "experts", and our main goal is to help you b/c that is what we like to do.
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sorry for any harsh comments I might of made, you guys took me to school on this one lol

No worries, we have heard worse from others, we take it in stride.
Also we, as a collective have seen this so many time before that we can come up with the answer fairly quick.

Good luck on your next find, and please post it for us. And the worst thing to do is to NOT post up a possible coin - better to ask. We won't pull our punches just to satisfy the questioner.
We actually HOPE that the coins that get posted here are the real deal not just damaged ones.
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Excellent, detailed, thoughtful discussion--one which could be had here almost daily in the Coin Community Forum (Family). Thanks to all who took the time to craft meaningful input!
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Sorry for my aggressive remarks earlier, I thought I really found something smh from now on I'm just going to ask, sorry guys
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