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1862-S Seated Liberty Half Dollar

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The 1862-S Seated Liberty half dollar is an interesting study. Although over 1.3 million were minted, almost half a million more than any previous San Francisco Seated Half, this figure must be discounted by the numbers which were shipped overseas for trade purposes. It is therefore difficult to determine the number of surviving examples through traditional computations.

Furthermore, having circulated widely, it is an extreme rarity in Mint State. Heritage Auctions has offered only ten examples in Mint State since 1993, and only one since 2006.

In the late 1950's, a large cache of Liberty Seated halves was discovered in Guatemala (the Guatemala Hoard). Breen reports:


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The Guatemala Hoard coins are readily recognizable: They are dated between 1859 and 1865 Philadelphia, and between 1860 and 1865 S, most often between 1861-1862 from either mint, ranging in grade from VF to nearly mint state, all cleaned with baking soda or some abrasive. There were many hundreds of each date, possibly a couple thousand 1861-1862.

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With this in consideration, it's imperative that the collector carefully examine Seated halves from these years for signs of cleaning.

In 1858, the Mint issued a new reverse hub for this coin, most easily characterized by a greater space between the tops of the L anf F in HALF; the first hub had the serifs almost touching. Given the very small mintages of San Francisco Halves in these years, combined with the 24 reverse dies provided in 1856 and 1857, the new reverse die was not actually used until 1862. There are, therefore, two different reverse die types found with 1862-S Seated halves. A total of 5 dies were used: 2 Hub 1 dies with a large mint mark, 1 Hub 1 die with a Medium mint mark, and 2 Hub 2 dies with a Small mint mark. The Small mint mark used the same punch for both dies, and that punch was broken at the top of the S, leading to a unique "broken" S mint mark on these coins.

The seminal work of identifying Seated Half die varieties was done by Randy Wiley and Bill Bugert in their book, The Complete Guide to Liberty Seated Half Dollars; the varieties they enunciated are listed as WB-xxx for each year. The 1862-S varieties I mentioned above are WB-101, WB-102, and WB-103 for this year, respectively. WB-101 is by far the most common; WB-102 and WB-103 are R4+ at any grade above VF and pretty much unknown in Mint State - all of the Heritage examples mentioned above, as far as I could tell, were WB-101.

Presented for your viewing pleasure below is an example of WB-103. Note the broken mint mark and the space between the L and F which identifies this variety.

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I had noticed the broken mint mark, but had thought nothing of it at all. Thought it was probably just a strike through grease, or something.
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As long as you were happy with the trade ShadowCreator then that's all that matters. SuperDave is obviously pleased with the results...
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Thanks for the info SuperDave. I wonder what you've graded this coin? At first glance I thought XF but after studying the details, AU is the grade. The reverse looks high AU.

It's a nice coin either way.
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I had graded this myself as EF. I thought the reverse was barely AU-50, and the obverse XF. Maybe I was a little too conservative : /
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I thought the reverse was barely AU-50, and the obverse XF. Maybe I was a little too conservative : /


Nah. With the coin in-hand, I think you're exactly right. The surfaces are completely original, and it's quite a coin.

It should be stated that, in that same period in which Heritage only offered 10 Mint State examples of this coin, they offered only seven original-surfaces examples graded XF, none of which were WB-103.

See why I wanted this one? There isn't enough collector demand to warrant additional value for WB-103 over WB-101, but I'm quite sure that R4 understates the rarity of both WB-102 and WB-103 in XF or better.

Now, here's some fun for you. There are currently 11 of these on ebay, two of which might just be deals, or they might be Guatemala Hoard coins:

1862-S WB-103, very strong VF with a rim nick for $120:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Seated-Liberty-...-S_W0QQitemZ190282827754QQihZ009QQcategoryZ11970QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247

1862-S WB-102, very strong VF, obverse scratch, for $135:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Seated-Liberty-...-S_W0QQitemZ190282009102QQihZ009QQcategoryZ11970QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247

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Maybe I was a little too conservative


EF45 would be a conservative grade. The reverse has very little wear and looks AU55 to me. The obverse threw me for a loop because it looks EF40 at first glance.

This is a very sweet example that could go AU50 on a good day.



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Nice coin Super. Overall grade of XF45 IMO :-)
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OK, now I gotta post my 1862-S coin. I appreciate the detailed discussion about this date!

Dave, I presume my half would be from one of the two "large mintmark hub dies" and it obviously is not a WB-103 since the mintmark is larger and not broken. It may well be a Guatemala hoard coin since the surfaces are not original and the odd, streaky color might be what you get if you apply baking soda. It's a shame since this coin has nearly AU detail. The price I paid was discounted due to the cleaning.

Can you determine whether this coin is the common WB-101 variety, as I would expect?

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Can you determine whether this coin is the common WB-101 variety, as I would expect?


WB-102, I think.

WB-101:

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WB-102:

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Hey Dave, thanks for the Stella seated half link. This is a nice resource!
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