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The Last Place I'd Expect To Find A Counterfeit

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 Posted 05/06/2024  5:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DOCC to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
In the dirt. Metal Detecting find today and the underlying assumption is counterfeit/replica/novelty. Too precise for an ancient.

But still a head scratcher until I figured out what it was - or what it represented.

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Just for clarity, I live in Montana USA
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 Posted 05/06/2024  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add samoth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Us Americans aren't going to find 1900-year-old coins in the ground. (I'm quite jealous of Europeans who can do this!)

Although... I suppose it's possible a dealer/collector could drop a valuable coin in the dirt by some statistically unlikely chain of events.

The obverse (& reverse fields) looks to have casting bubbles on the surface, so without knowing this type all that well, my money's on it not being real.
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 Posted 05/06/2024  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree, I'd love to find something like this, fake or not!
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 Posted 05/06/2024  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add travelcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I doubt it's authentic, but I'm not familiar with that type. Someone will find at least two of my ancients somewhere on my property. I experimented with an over cleaned (bought it that way) Leo VI Follis (Leo the Wise) by burying it. I was a new collector and I assumed that the elements might darken the coin. When I went to retrieve it about a year and a half later, it had vanished. The other coin was a absolutely stunning Valens Ae coin that I had cleaned. Left out in the sun to dry and I assume the wind or something knocked it into my mulch bed. Looked for hours to no avail.
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Genuine selas (Jewish tetradrachms) were quite roughly made; given that they were overstruck on foreign tetradrachms, this is only to be expected. They are rarely nice and round, and never have the nice clear rim on both sides that this coin has.

As for what it's doing in the dirt somewhere in rural America, let's just file that under "people are weird". Maybe someone buried it as part of a treasure hunt. Maybe someone was given it in Sunday school and lost it. Maybe someone bought it in Israel thinking it was real, came home, was told it's a replica, and literally threw it away in disgust. Maybe someone's deliberately planting fake coins where people might find them, just for LOLs or to try to create "evidence" for whatever weird ancient alien conspiracy they want to see promoted. Unless you were there or know who lost it, there's no way to tell.

Deliberately planting fake coins for other people to find is a standard operating procedure for scammers in the Middle East: for a fee, the tourists get taken to a "ruin nobody else knows about", and when they get there the ground is littered with old coins, which the tourists can find and help themselves to. But the "ruin" is likely less than a hundred years old, and the coins were all seeded there the previous day. Nobody tells the tourists that actual 2000 year old lost coins are going to be buried under quite a lot of dirt.
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 Posted 05/06/2024  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DOCC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well not only the overall look and generally rounded condition, but the VDI number denotes copper, not silver. Add that to the Montana angle and I'd have better luck playing the Lotto.
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Dirt coin dig videos - https://www.youtube.com/@prodetecting
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These were originally struck on Roman coins. Given their rarity and value the only place you'll find them in the ground is the Middle East. In fact, some were recently found in the Judaean Desert!
https://www.gov.il/en/pages/rare-co...-4-mar-2024#
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Jewish family heirloom given to the black sheep son as a good luck token.

He decides to move to Montana and become a cowboy. Carries it with him everywhere.

Gets thrown from his horse one day and walks away unscathed, attributing his good fortune to that heirloom coin / good luck token.

But, unbeknownst to him, it has fallen out of his pocket (and it was a fake).

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it
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Plausible story, I like it with one minor update. It was not a replica but rather the most pristine specimen ever produced!!!!
I swing a metal detector and have a knack for finding dirty old coins.
Dirt coin restoration projects - https://www.prodetecting.com/restorations
Dirt coin restoration blog - https://www.prodetecting.com/blog/ccaw
Dirt coin dig videos - https://www.youtube.com/@prodetecting
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Looks like a lucrative "Oak Island" tv spin-off waiting to happen! Have your people contact their people.

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