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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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It's a nice looking coin for the variety, but the graffiti ruins it for me. I would return it for sure.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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VF details, scratched. I'd return it. It's a deal breaker for me.
Errers and Varietys.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
6383 Posts |
Guess this is a scarce variety and hard to find problem-free. Price seems a bit high for a VF Details piece with graffiti but perhaps the opportunity to buy one doesn't come by very often.
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Russian Federation
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Not being familiar with the variety: what's going on at 2-7h on the obverse, next to the date and the right set of stars? It looks like a lot of scratching to me but it I guess maybe it's actually a lot of overlapping clashes (at least 4, maybe more).
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
Strictly from an an appearance standpoint, not a fan.
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Pillar of the Community
Germany
1849 Posts |
Hmmm....the graffiti would rule this one out for me as well, at the price the seller wants. The 1814 A over A is not scarce at R-1, but quite popular from what I have seen, so this drives up the price. There are 14 available on ebay right now. For comparison, this is my example. The weakness at the wings and eagle is typical for the variety, as I learnt. 
Edited by GERMANICVS 05/17/2024 10:10 am
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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i'd call it VF30 details (graffiti) just a personal preference, I would not spend that kind of $$ on a graffiti coin if I could find a straight 30 for the same price. a straight 30 sold for $384 in august and if the coin came in at 25 then it was way overpriced imo. sorry, my vote is  even if it was $100 less the clashing is pretty wicked on it
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Send her back. Even if you don't mind the graffiti, it will probably compromise future resale value.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3848 Posts |
I'd say it falls on the 35/40 details range. For $400, in this grade with the graffiti, the patina needs to be stunning for the price to be justified. The fact it is bright/cleaned plus the graffiti, I would pass. This variety is available in eye appealing condition, but the examples are held in tight collector's hands. Patience is key with the O-108. Here is my example:  
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
Lots of good input, so what are you thinkinig?
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
878 Posts |
Thanks for the feedback everyone. My feelings one way or another were pretty neural, given all of the coins, sold and unsold, that I've looked at. However, the consensus here is unanimous, so going with that and will return it and keep hunting for a more appealing problem free example. -Large Edit A few more thoughts on this one as I re-read the feedback. Not sure how familiar everyone is with 1814 E/A pricing over generic 1814. Graysheet VF20 retail is $488 vs $273, and the sold listings at Heritage, ebay, Great Collections, and Graysheet marketplace back up the spread across the grading spectrum. The VF30 Panzaldi referenced, assuming it was the same Stacks Bowers sale in August 2023 that I saw, is a non E/A 1814 in a PCGS holder. In E/A, it would probably sell in the $600+ range. What I would consider an ugly E/A VF20 that sold on GC went for $528. A cleaned XF details, early die state E/A, no clashing or die cracks, sold for $530. Then there is an early die state E/A straight grade VF35 that sold for $660 in 2022 on Heritage that IMO is not attractive. And this well circulated flat grey example has almost no toning, how's that even possible? As I've looked at many dozens of example of this variety over the last few months, I've seen a good number of PCGS and NGC straight graded 1814 E/A that are suspect, IMO, and ugly. Jacrispies coin is an attractive XF40+ IMO and is easily a $1,000 coin in the current market. So my overall ambivalence for this coin at the price paid is based on what I see in the market place. I also prefer raw coins. If the graffiti was instead just some random light scratches in that area, I wouldn't even be considering returning it. So finding what I desire is even more limited since so many have been holdered. With that, if any of you have a lead on an unholdered straight gradable attractive 108a in high VF range for $400 to $500, hit me up! Cheers!
Edited by adam126402 05/18/2024 12:09 am
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Pillar of the Community
Germany
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I bought my example in Europe and paid the equivalent of $ 175. However, this is probably not a good point of reference.
Edited by GERMANICVS 05/18/2024 09:53 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1763 Posts |
Looks like graffiti on the obverse as well next to S4. Pass.
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