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1983-P Jefferson Nickel With Grease-Filled Dies?

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I assume these are grease-filled dies on both the obverse and reverse, but it's a little unusual affecting just the center on both sides. I actually have two coins of this date that are virtually identical in appearance.

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Nice Greaser, well-photographed.
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What's the weight of your coin? If it's normal, then probably a Greaser.
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Weight would be good to know.
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Aye, excellent photography!
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Thanks! Weight looks good, guess your thoughts were correct. The hair just looked like a soft strike too, so thought maybe a thin planchet.
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This MAY NOT be a Greaser situation. I have a coin that was identified as a 'Hard Planchet' strike by Mike Diamond several years ago and it too is a 1983-P Jefferson. He said he had seen several like this with the same date.

His explanation was that a batch of hard planchets (possibly not annealed) was sent to the mint. The metal of the planchet was far too hard to accept the full image from the dies because of this with the missing detail at the center of the strike, which is the opposite of how most Grease Filled Die strikes appear.

This is the coin. It was the second coin image I posted on the CCF way back in 2011 and attributed by Mike Diamond .
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Sorry about the quality of the images. I was still using a flat-bed copier way back then for some of my pictures.


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Good information, Yokozuna! Good to know.
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Very nice photos! I agree with Yokozuna that this is not a Grease Fill issue. Here is a post from 2011 where Mike describes the error http://goccf.com/t/100964&SearchTer...ard,planchet
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BINGO, CoinHI! I knew I had seen a post from Mike Diamond a saying that he had seen several 1983-P 'Hard Planchet' Jefferson nickel strikes, but I didn't find it. Thanks for backing me up!
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Thanks for that information, Yokozuna and CoinHI! I thought it looked odd for a grease-filled die centrally filling both sides, but I couldn't think what else it could be. And I never heard of a "hard planchet" strike before. I mentioned in the first post that I had two coins that are very similar. I just shot some photos of the second one as well. The top set is the coin in the original post, and the bottom set is the other one. Very interesting!

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This was a very nice thread read
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Here's an article written by Mike Diamond several years ago discussing these hard planchet strikes.

https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-c...d-britt.html
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Good info and a good thread, guys, thanks!
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