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*** Moved by Staff moved to a more appropriate forum. ***Just got this coin in the mail today. Somehow it went for the price of a dull AU, but it's blatantly uncirculated and exceptionally bright. To my eye, the color is all original, it has that spotty untouched old hoard coin look. This is a hoard date, so that part adds up. I'll be sending it to NGC shortly, hoping for a 63RD. Thoughts? Pics aren't the clearest but I tried to get light hitting all of the coin at once.  
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Bedrock of the Community
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Not a fan with all that ED, whether this details it or not. Good luck!
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I'll guess AU, maybe better.
Errers and Varietys.
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Keep in mind the TPG standard for red on large copper is far lower than for anything 1864-on. They tolerate maybe five times as much spotting and mellowing. I shop this niche fairly diligently and I've seen many much less bloomy coins get RD that I don't think deserved it. On the other hand, I've never seen a large copper in an RB holder that I thought deserved RD. I hardly even see any with substantially over 50% red. This would be an RB for sure if it were an Indian Head, but as a Classic Half Cent I'd be shocked. Regarding AU vs. MS, never in my life have I seen a TPG give AU to a coin with more than a sliver of red, even on a coin of more recent vintage, never mind a large copper. They're simply allergic to the very idea, regardless of technical merits. Edited by 1796NoPole
06/29/2024 01:17 am
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I moved your thread to the grading section. Always best to remove coins from 2x2 holders before taking photos. Not my area but looks cleaned so a details coin. John1  |
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Slider AU-Unc sharpness, but the color is questionable - fully Uncirculated red Half Cents should have full luster. The Guttag hoard of 1833 Half Cents is more well known, but there was a smaller hoard of uncirculated 1835 Half Cents as well (the Sears hoard.) All of the Sears hoard Half Cents displayed varying degrees of spotting and contact marks/abrasions. However, this Half Cent is a C-1 with widely spaced S-T in STATES, and the Sears hoard coins were all C-2 with closely spaced S-T in STATES, so I do not think this is a hoard coin. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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the coin may be MS but I tried to find an MS version that had color similar to this. it could be photos and lighting but Zuries comment may have a valid point about it. Half Cents are rarer in and of themselves. finding an MS one for the price of an AU if thats the case is even rarer. whats interesting is that they show a total PCGS population at MS62RB of 1, that has me a little concerned. if the coin would grade straight then it most likely would be RB. is there some reason why you would go with NGC vs PCGS? just curious. i hope it pulls the MS grade for you but UNC details would not surprise me. please repost when you get it back Edited by panzaldi
06/29/2024 1:20 pm
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I'd say Unc details, questionable color. It's a nice coin, but I'm not convinced the surfaces are original. I hope it gets a straight grade for you.
Edit: I guess I should explain why I think the surfaces aren't original. The color on the obverse looks too even, without any discernible luster. Also, on a RB copper coin, there is often residual red color hugging the devices in protected areas. But in this coin, there is increased toning in and around the reverse letters, almost like there was a chemical treatment that wasn't washed away completely causing accelerated toning in those spots. I could be wrong, but those are my thoughts.
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06/29/2024 10:48 am
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Clearly my pictures must suck; it has a lot more cartwheel than you're seeing.
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The luster looks original to me. MS details, environmental damage.
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I took this coin to my local (very swanky) B&M to have it checked out. We ended up treating it with some Verdicare, it was very successful and anything green you saw before is off the coin now. Just carbon left there. The rest of the surfaces look exactly the same. Shop's opinion on the grade was either 63-64, on the fence between RB/RD, or MS details altered surfaces/questionable color. Not because of flat luster, because there isn't any, but because the tint is a little more pinkish than they like, suggesting it may have been dipped decades ago and the carbon we see has developed since then. All sounded believable to me, we'll see how NGC sees it. It does look a bit more like a Zincoln than most early copper, but I've seen that look get straight graded a ton of times, so there's no telling.
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06/29/2024 3:16 pm
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C'mon, after pics please!
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06/29/2024 5:12 pm
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Please share the results. If the luster is better than your photos, as you indicate, it might straight grade.
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My pictures were only hurting matters to begin with, but as you wish. If the obverse looks slightly brighter than the reverse, that's because it is, but the difference isn't large.   Edited by 1796NoPole
06/29/2024 5:29 pm
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I'm at 64 for the strike. 50-50 whether it will straight grade for color. I, too, hope it does.
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