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1851 Silver Three Cent Piece PCGS Vs You

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I am new to this series--I am really curious how the more experienced and learned coin graders here would see this coin. The reverse is stunning in terms of pastel colors--I did not capture it well.


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Au details environmental damage
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Boy, that's a tough call. The toning area detracts, but not sure it reaches a details level. I'll say MS-62, just a stab.
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I have to go with AU details also........
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I think those are roller marks, they go in the same direction on both Obverse and Reverse. It has the edge lines on the C indicative of Mint State. But there's a scratch in the shield.

MS64


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64+
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I'll say MS-64.
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tough series to grade. I was taught to look at the buttons in the C and the Star radials. strike issues were very common due to thinness of the planchets. some were even bent during striking and strikethroughs are also. you can see this as the star is coming through on the reverse very prominently. several star radials are notably weak. also when grading these keep in mind strike issues the shield outlines. this one is pretty sharp.

before buying raw I would learn everything I could about them especially if you are going for higher grade examples

no doubt in my mind that the coin is MS. not sure what their thoughts were on the scratch in the shield. the others look like contact marks to me.

MS64 and 65 may be possible on this one. I can say I don't think I saw one with that massive amount of gold toning. hoping it graded straight
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MS 63 for sure and maybe MS64. Love the toning.
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MS-62
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Very nice. MS-63.
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It seems the vast majority of you guessed between MS(62) and MS(64). Those who split the difference agreed with PCGS. Yeah, the scratch in the shield looks so big in the photos, but so miniscule in person, given the size of the coin itself. A couple of you expressed concerns about the splotchy toning, but it just looks like toning to me, not something that seems to be corroding the coin. I wish the pastel colors on the reverse came out better in my photos. I like the color, the luster, and the die clashing on this razor thin coin. I especially love how prominent the star from the obverse is on the reverse. This is a type coin for me, and not one where the budget is especially high.

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Congrats—beautiful coin with lovely toning!
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Wow! Nice grade - I wasn't even close
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And wonderful PIDT that I should have called out.
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Thanks, @BStrauss3. Can I ask what PIDT is? It is a term I have not heard before--does it have to do with striking through debris?
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