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1448 Cologne Weisspfennig:   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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1448 Trier Groschen:   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Great examples!  |
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Excellent coins @Spence!
And those are some unusual 5 shapes from @ttkoo's Gujarat coins - the 856 AH coin has a reclining-E shape and the 852 AH coin is almost a W.
[Around early October, we'll hopefully see a very historically interesting coin that shows something very close to the predecessor shape for all of those multitudinous 5 digits. Very much looking forward to that.]
Are the Trier groschen and the Cologne weisspfennig different sizes? They look very much like they could be close variants of the same type, so I'm surprised by the distinction in denominations.
We're still at just eight dates missing so far (1464, 1463, 1462, 1461, 1457, 1454, 1453, 1451). This puts us at just barely under 95% coverage so far (counting from 1600) - the exact 95% line was crossed at 1451.
I wonder when we'll end up below 90% coverage; probably not for a while yet, but a lot depends on how many of the remaining 15th century dates originally covered by "datable" entries also have AH-dated entries.
I optimistically estimate that we wouldn't get below 80% until somewhere well into the 13th century.
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I'm surprised by the distinction in denominations Yes good question. I was a little surprised too about that difference as I was posting them this morning, but it may just be nomenclature rather than a size/weight difference. Especially as my understanding and collection of both coins and reference books has evolved over time, these seeming disparities sometimes show up. Maybe one of these denominations came from Levinson, while the other came from Krug or elsewhere, for example. I'm away from my library right now, but can chase down a better explanation later this week so stay tuned for more info. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Jaunpur Sultanate billon tanka Nasir al-Din Mahmud Shah AH 857 (1453 CE) 18.2 x 18.6 mm, 9.75 g GG# J12  |
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Ottoman Empire AR akce Mehmed II AH 855 (1451 CE) Siroz (Serres) mint 10.7 x 11.4 mm, 1.00 g Album 1308.1  Yet another type of 5. There is a good guide for the different obverse types on Numista. This is obverse A. |
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Jaunpur Sultanate AE falus Nasir al-Din Mahmud Shah AH 854 (1450 CE) 14.7 x 15.2 mm, 4.63 g GG# J16  |
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Nice examples, bd251! |
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1447 Cologne Groschen:   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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1447 Cologne Groschen: Very nice! |
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Excellent coins @bd251!
And a beautiful groschen from Spence as well.
Remaining missing years: 1464, 1463, 1462, 1461, 1457, 1454, 1453, 1451, and all the dates past that are accounted for so far.
I remembered the Ottoman 1451/855, but didn't recall the 1453/857 offhand - that's a nice one as well!
(This brings us up to just over 96% coverage for the moment.)
1453 is, of course, the year best known for the fall of Constantinople; it was also formerly believed to be the most recent date with no known AD dated coins, though AFAIK more recent research had shifted this to 1464 for now.
By this point, at 1447, we're going into the Middle Ages by most definitions I know of. AFAICT this thread would continue covering the Middle Ages until sometime in July 2027.
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Bahmani Sultanate AE 2/3 gani Alau'd-din Ahmad II AH 849 (1445 CE) 18.7 x 19.3 mm, 8.38 g GG# BH85  |
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Not 100% sure which day we are on today, so I'll post my Groschen from 1444 tomorrow.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Not 100% sure which day we are on today, so I'll post my Groschen from 1444 tomorrow. I also thought it was 1444 day yesterday [December 5th], even before you posted that (and almost made a comment implying it, but got distracted for other reasons), but I rechecked the math and you're correct - 1444 is today. Looking forward to the coin! Missing years so far: 1464, 1463, 1462, 1461, 1457, 1454, 1446. Most of those are dates where the original threads had Hungarian denars or other "datable" coins. |
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