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Valued Member
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Edited by Djrev757
07/12/2024 10:34 am
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@djr, it looks to me like these pieces were struck by the private "American Mint", rather than the US Mint, so these are perhaps better classified as made-for-collector tokens, medals, or even rounds. I'm going to therefore move your thread to a more appropriate subforum for comment from our members.
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Valued Member
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Ahh ok =) thank you very much!
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United States
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yeah, this is a tough one, I would not begin to know where to look..
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Valued Member
United States
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Yea me either, I offered a friend a Morgan if he could find it. He said he spent 2 days looking and nothing anywhere online shows this coin nor does any site claim it exists outside of the email from the mint. It has to be real as it was part of their set and apparent it did sell out so theres gotta be something somewhere. Luckily they did confirm this is what it looks like. =/
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Very interesting!  |
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Yea I tried there but all they have for the set is the Robert E. Lee token. Only thing they even have on their site with his name is the knife =(
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
United States
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A few things to consider...
1. As Spence noted above, these medals (not coins) were issued by The American Mint vs. the US Mint and have no affiliation with the US Mint. The American Mint is a private company that markets a range of collectibles - many grossly overpriced.
2. I'm fairly confident that the sales ad you presented shows a different series than the set that included your medal. Your medal appears to have been part of the "Southern Leaders of the Civil War" set vs. the "Leaders of the Civil War" set depicted in the advertisement. Medals in the Southern Leaders of the Civil War were priced as high as $89.95 each when issued - quite a bit for thinly-plated (with gold) copper medals.
3. I doubt very highly that the entire set sold out. I believe it was sold via subscription (i.e., pay-as-you-go installments). Such arrangements are known for significant drop out/discontinue rates as the subscription continues. There are likely far more of the early-shipped medals available in the market vs. those that shipped later. Just check out the number of incomplete Franklin Mint sets for sale as a proxy. Trying to complete these partial sets with lower availability of "late" medals is often quite a chore.
4. How did you determine the 27 gram weight? Do you own the medal and weigh it yourself? If YES, is your scale correctly calibrated? Without weighing more than one medal from the series on a calibrated scale, it is difficult to know what the correct weight should be. There are multiple reasons why weights can vary, including errors in printed documentation.
5. There's a chance the set is still available, but it is not being promoted. (A clue that it didn't sell out.) The Robert E. Lee medal listed might be the first of a possible subscription opportunity. (Just conjecture on my part.)
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Valued Member
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I only say they sold them out because the email said after all the sets were made they didnt make any more with the Robert E Lee being their only restrikes being sold from the set. So one would assume they sold them out and didnt make anymore thereafter outside of the R.E.Lee's. But I didn't ask for clarification unfortunately. She did however tell me thats all the information she can find on it though.I use an ETEP scale, not sure which series but its a $1000 self-calibrating commercial use scale with a decimal range of 0.0000x and is always accurate and updated regularly so I'm sure the weight is correct. The weight it should be was given by the makers so thats also likely correct. But yes I do own the medal in question to ensure its weight is accurate. 27.7020g to be exact but given it has something on the front the .0020g could be nulled so essentially 27.7g to the T.
But as far as I was told the set sold out, they stopped making them and continued to make the most popular of the set (Robert E Lee) with no other coin of the set being sold or made thereafter by them. The weight is accurate (just to be sure I did a reset and weighed again) on my end and as far as I know accurate on their end. The large set IS a part of the smaller set (Last pic), the smaller set is just the extra coins you get if you pay for the upgrade. The normal set is the 24 in the larger pic, if you paid extra you get the "Leaders" coins as well (the 4 in the last pic, which included mine). So its all the same exact set, you just need to pay extra for the leaders series of the set.
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But from what she told me the set did sell out as it was a very very limited supply and they did not make anymore thereafter. But there should be something online about the coin, a picture, a comment, a sale/purchase....something. heck at this point ill take a picture of it photoshopped being used in 1798. It aint worth but a few dollars at most so I didnt expect it to be all over but at least 1 site.
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The medal you have and the medal in the set are different.  Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here)See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here) |
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Quality control at the American Mint may have been lax enough to allow underweight planchets. It is not like the buyers were buying specific weights of precious metals.
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United States
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Thats what I asked whomever I was emailing as the coin I sent them was not the coin they showed in the case but matches the leaders edition with the 4 coin set addition but those 4 are different. Apparently, from my understanding through text, is the 4th one on the last picture, of the leaders addition, is PGT as well. But it has a slightly different design with the hair and such. When zoomed it does "look" like it says his name, but I'm not too sure. Which is why I was trying to find the set or at least the coin to compare.
As far as I can tell either the person I was talking to got confused and was wrong -or- someone faked a essentially worthless token lol.
This may be a lost cause, its more nerve racking than anything.
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It is a bit strange of that switch of coins. Is it possible they had multiple sets?
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Valued Member
United States
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Not too sure, she just stated it was from this set and once it sold out they didnt make anymore. can't find anything on the set besides obert E Lee and 1 or 2 others
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