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burfle23 Pillar of the Community United States 517 Posts	Posted 08/11/2024 10:39 am I was told the subject example is genuine; I am struggling with that, but these are not in my wheelhouse... 1881-CC is one of the most counterfeited coins I see in the Marketplace; they were shown in this forum with some markers back in 2018- 1st image: They can often be "authenticated" at a glance, with the slash on the eagle's breast and the mintmark, appearing as a cross between the 2 known VAM reverses. . The subject example has the best images of one I have seen to date, but to my eye match the counterfeit example and the "CC" does not match either genuine variety.- next image: I added the "dot" under the lips as a common obv marker and had not noticed it until reviewing this latest example. Edited by burfle23 08/11/2024 10:41 am Report this Post to the Staff

Zurie Pillar of the Community United States 5666 Posts	Posted 08/11/2024 11:39 am I'm not convinced the subject example matches the known counterfeit. The slash on the breast looks to me to be at a slightly shallower angle, and in a slightly different location. You could do an overlay to confirm if it matches exactly. And the CC mintmark seems to be a match with VAM-6. Not sure what to make of the dot under the lip. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95443 Posts	Posted 08/11/2024 5:58 pm looks similar, but different too for some reason. any chance on getting a few close up images of your coin and the examples? Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
paralyse Bedrock of the Community United States 12057 Posts	Posted 08/12/2024 1:06 pm I do not think it is a counterfeit. It has some issues but the overall level of detail and just its general appearance would have me leaning towards authentic. It's possible that the counterfeit was done from dies based on a genuine coin, yes? If so, that might explain similar die markers. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Report this Post to the Staff
Slider23 Pillar of the Community United States 4469 Posts	Posted 08/12/2024 1:25 pm I am leaning towards genuine, but the counterfeit die could have been upgraded to remove some of the die markers. It would be interesting to know if there are tool markings above the D in dollar to remove the bump on the OP coin. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95443 Posts	Posted 08/12/2024 2:18 pm Quote: It's possible that the counterfeit was done from dies based on a genuine coin, yes? If so, that might explain similar die markers. Pretty much what I was thinking - but the odds the it was this particular coin is astronomical. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Zurie Pillar of the Community United States 5666 Posts	Posted 08/12/2024 7:59 pm I did an overlay of the subject coin with both the known counterfeit and a genuine coin. The slash on the breast is definitely lower and angled differently than on the counterfeit coin, and the mintmark is an exact match for VAM-6. So I also believe the coin is genuine. Report this Post to the Staff
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