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1971 Eisenhower, Oddly Thick Date And IGWT?

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Not entirely sure what to make of this specimen. The date is way thicker in width than typical dates. The lettering of In God We Trust is also thick and distorted, although it feels more vertical than horizontal.

The thickness immediately reminded me of the Kennedy half dollar 1970-S DDO, which has a distinctive chubby date and lettering. Was this caused by Die Deterioration or another non-DDO phenomenon? I don't immediately see any split serifs or other obvious indicators, but there are "extra thickness" doubled die classifications, too.

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It does look a bit thick. Not really sure what to think of it.
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I'll wait for jbuck's input, but in the meanwhile pass my specs.
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Possibly slide MD combined with deterioration? It is oddly thick.
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That looks like a split serif on S in Trust.

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That looks like a split serif on S in Trust.

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There may be a DDO hiding in there but do not think it is a listed one if it is, the other splits on the 002 are very significant and not seeing them.
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Since I have a big ol' stack of 1971 Ikes available, I went through the pile looking for more examples of correct and thick dates and IGWT. There seems to be a large amount of variation in device thickness. To some extent, it feels like the thicker letters are flatter, and might be the Ike equivalent of Buffalo nickel spatula letters. That is simply caused by poor metal flow from a variety of reasons. I will tuck this coin into a bit of paper, but unless someone has a bombshell observation, I think we can chalk this up to natural variations on Ike dollar strikes and my lack of familiarity with this series. Thanks all for the help!
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I am following and learning, Brand! Thanks for digging into the Ikes!
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Possibly slide MD combined with deterioration? It is oddly thick.
This is where my mind went first.

1971 was a tough year for Ikes, with 1972 only slightly better. In the beginning, they were having a difficult time getting them to fully strike. Cu-Ni clad is a lot tougher that 90% silver!

So I believe what you have is an Ike struck earlier in the run (less knowledge and experience) with a worn out die.
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That seems as good a theory as any, and moreso because you know your Ikes.

It is hard to capture, but the weird tallness on the letters has a curved slope. You can see it best on God. In the pictures, the metal looks like a faded ghost stretching upwards, but it is actually a slope of metal on the devices. I don't know if that's consistent with slide doubling, but I also don't know what else could cause that except device deterioration on worn dies.

1971 must have been a tough year at the mint, with both Kennedy halves and Ike dollars going into production with cupronickel clad.
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1971 must have been a tough year at the mint, with both Kennedy halves and Ike dollars going into production with cupronickel clad.
I believe it was.
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