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 Posted 05/14/2009  2:53 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add dahoov2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is kind of off topic but I don't see a category for it. I was just wondering if someone can tell me if I am doing what I am doing right...

I have to valuate my coins and jewelry for insurance. I can do the coins easily enough by the redbook/Ebay etc but how about jewelry?

This is what I did: I weighed it on a scale. Here's a for instance:
One 18kt gold chain weighed .9 on my postal scale. I went to a site which said take that weight and multiply it x .91 (?). then I put that into grams (came to 25 grams). Then I went on some site where you plug in the grams, the kt and it gave you the "spot" price which in this case was 558.121 US Dollars. I am guessing that's what I'd put on my inventory for value. Did I do this right?

Any help would be apprecited (Math was alwasy my worst subject).
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 Posted 05/14/2009  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dreamstones to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I use this site's calculator http://www.silverrecyclers.com/Calc...culator.aspx

1. Just enter spot price
2. Enter unit of weight (dropdown box)
3. Enter weights in appropriate Karat amount

Hit calculate button at bottom and see the results.
Also calculates different metal items as well...hope this helps!
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 Posted 05/14/2009  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dahoov2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks; that's a LOT easier!
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 Posted 05/14/2009  7:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IBGolden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Weigh your item in troy ounces(1 ounce troy=31.1035 grams) and multiply that by the karat #, then divide by 24, then multiply by spot price for gold content value...

troy weight X k# / 24 = actual gold weight(agw) X spot price = current gold value...

... oz. X k# / 24 X $spot = $Au.

If weight is in x grams...
x / 31.1035 X k# / 24 X $spot = $Au

If weight is in x avoirdupois (common) ounce(s)(1oz.=28.3495 grams)...
x X 28.3495 / 31.1035 X k# / 24 X $spot = $Au

... btw karat is for gold purity; carat is for gem weight.
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 Posted 05/14/2009  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sfwusc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just so you know... I would say that is only valuable for junk gold jewelry.


I have a gold chain and a gold cross, and I bet the retail replace cost is a lot higher than the gold content. I would think it would cost 150% or so to replace the items. Heck maybe 200%.

For someone to get mine, then they better have a gun with them... and hope I don't have mine. So I guess mine is insured with GLOCK.

-SFWUSC
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 Posted 05/14/2009  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IBGolden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
^^^ Absolutely... gold content only. No regard to manufacturing, packaging, shipping, retail mark up and fashion demand or lack thereof.


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... which said take that weight and multiply it x .91 (?).
dahoov2


1 oz. avoirdupois=28.3495 grams
1 ounce troy=31.1035 grams

28.3495 divided by 31.1035=0.9115
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 Posted 05/15/2009  11:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratman4762 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.goldgrambars.com/calculator/This is handy. Just weigh and choose purity, spot price is already there and updated daily.
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 Posted 05/16/2009  07:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rggoodie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is good information on Gold and Silver

What is a Gold KARAT


Gold's purity is measured in karats. The term "karat" harks back to the ancient bazaars where "carob" beans were used to weigh precious metals. 24 karat is pure gold, but its purity means it is more expensive and less durable than gold that is alloyed with other metals. Different alloys are used in jewelry for greater strength, durability and color range.

The karatage of the jewelry will tell you what percentage of gold it contains: 24 karat is 100 percent, 18 karat is 75 percent, and 14 karat is 58 percent gold. When comparing gold jewelry, the higher the number of karats, the greater the value.

KARAT AND PERCENTAGE

1 karat equals 4.167
6 karat equals 25.000
8 karat equals 33.333
12 karat equals 50.000
14 karat equals 58.333
18 karat equals 75.000
22 karat equals 91.671
24 karat equals 100.000

Europeans have long embraced 18-karat gold as their metal of choice, and with good reason. Its rich yellow color, luxurious look and feel have an extraordinarily sensual appeal; many European women treat 18-karat gold like a second skin, even wearing it to the beach!
Today, women in the U.S. and around the globe are "trading up" and treating themselves to the beauty and opulence of 18-karat gold.
Karat marks: When buying gold jewelry, always look for the karat mark. All other things being equal, the higher the karat, the more expensive the piece. In the United States, 14-karat gold, or 583 parts pure gold, is the most common degree of fineness. Nothing less than 10 karats can legally be marked or sold as gold jewelry in the U.S. However, lower karatages, such as 8-karat gold and 9-karat gold, are popular in other countries.

18-karat gold is 18/24ths, or three-quarters pure gold, and jewelry of this fineness is marked 18k or 750, the European designation meaning 75% gold.

Always look for the karat mark or "k" that appears on the back of the piece. By U.S. law, if a karat mark appears you should also see the manufacturer's trademark to assure you that the karat marking is accurate. The country of origin should also appear.
In addition to the karat mark, every piece of gold jewelry should be stamped with a hallmark or trademark of its maker, and sometimes its country of origin. These designations assure you that you are buying genuine karat gold jewelry. Heavier pieces contain more gold.
Gold Types: Gold Filled, also called Gold Overlay, refers to a layer of at least 10-karat gold that has been permanently bonded by heat and pressure to one or more surfaces of the support metal, then rolled or drawn to a prescribed thickness. The karat gold must be at least 1/ 10 of the total weight.

Gold Plate means that a layer of plating of 10-karat gold or better has been bonded to a base metal. The karat gold content may be less than 1/20, but it must be properly identified by weight in terms of total metal content.
Gold Leaf is just gold plating that's been pounded and applied by hand.

Gold Colors: Yellow gold is alloyed with silver and copper. It is the most frequently used type of gold there is. Malleable, ductile, and generally non-corrosive, it has a high melting point and is not susceptible to compression.

White gold is alloyed with a large percentage of silver, or a selection of other white metals. The percentage of gold naturally varies, according to the amount of other metal used. White gold is highly reflective and not subject to tarnish. The ancient term for it was Electrum. Its use predates that of Palladium and Platinum.

Rose gold is alloyed with copper, and perhaps silver. The proportions are about one part of copper to three parts of 24-karat gold.

Gold Pricing: Gold pricing is based on a number of factors, including karatage, gram weight, design and craftsmanship. The karatage and gram weight tell you how much gold is in a piece, but don't rely on these alone to determine price. Remember, a price based solely on gram weight does not reflect the work that has gone into the piece.
information provided by
http://www.e-goldprospecting.com/ht...a_karat.html


TO FIND GOLD CONTENT AND DOLLAR VAULE USE THE FOLLOWING FORMULA:
KARAT DIVIDED BY 24, MULTIPLIED BY SPOT PRICE, AND DIVIDED BY 20 EQUALS THE PRICE PER PENNYWEIGHT.
EXAMPLE: 14K DIVIDED BY 24 EQUALS .583
.583 MULTIPLIED BY $363 (SPOT PRICE) EQUALS $212.80
$212.80 DIVIDED BY 20 EQUALS $10.64 (PRICE PER PENNYWEIGHT)
PRICE PER PENNYWEIGHT MULTIPLIED BY RING'S WEIGHT (MINUS STONES) IS THE SCRAP GOLD PRICE FOR THE RING

information provided by
http://www.tomstreasures.com/gs.html
this site also provides information on Silver.

What is a PennyWeight of Gold? What is a Gram of Gold

There are 20 pennyweights also referred to as DWT in an ounce. There are also 31.1 grams in an ounce.

Gold is measured in troy ounces. There are 31.1 grams per Troy ounce. The simplest way to use your home scale is to multiply the number showing as ounces by 20. That's it. If your scale shows 3.5 oz you have approximately 70 pennyweight. 1.5oz is about 30 pennyweight and so on. (Same for silver and platinum)

Ok, now for measuring your gold in grams. The scale shows 3.5 ounces. Multiply by 31.1 and it comes to 108.85 grams of gold. If it's 1.5 oz x 31.1=46.65 grams.

Lastly, if you would like to know a price per gram, follow this formula. $20 per pennyweight is $12.86 per gram. To convert simply divide $20 by 1.555=$12.86. Try $18 dwt divided by 1.555 and you get $11.58 gram.

information from
http://articles.webraydian.com/arti...of_Gold.html
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 Posted 05/16/2009  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TSOTL to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would contact my insurance agent and find out what he has to say about this whole valuation thing. With precious metals fluctuating so much it seems like it would be terribly hard to nail it down for any length of time. I'd imagine insurance companies have something in place to figure this out. If it was me I would list what you have in detail, take pics, save receipts and then not even worry about nailing down a value until you need to. Make sure you've got replacement cost insurance too, otherwise you're gonna need some K.Y. when you go to file a claim.
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 Posted 05/16/2009  3:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IBGolden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I take exception to the below quote... any amount of any karat weight of gold using any coating technique can be considered gold plate... including electroplating; and we're talking atoms in thickness. These items do not need to be marked. Btw HGE= heavy gold electroplate.


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Gold Plate means that a layer of plating of 10-karat gold or better has been bonded to a base metal. The karat gold content may be less than 1/20, but it must be properly identified by weight in terms of total metal content.
rggoodie


This is actually the definition for gold filled in North America, or rolled gold in Europe(although they are often used interchangably in the increasing global village). This is the case when 1/20 or more in total gold weight. The karat of the bonded gold layer with "GF" are typically the markings. eg. 14kt GF, or I've also seen *14kt 1/20 with or without the GF.

An item less than 8kt does not require purity marks.

Coinage gold is historically 22kt; eg. English Sovereigns, French gold Francs, German gold Marks, etc.

You will often see European 14kt gold marked as "585".

Anyway, to fix that quote I would re-write it as...
"Gold filled or rolled gold means that a layer of plating of 10-karat gold or better has been bonded to a base metal. The karat gold content must be 1/20 the total weight or better, and it must be properly identified by weight in terms of total metal content, and marked as "*10kt GF" or better. Anything less can be considered gold plate and does not require purity/content marks."

>>> edit... oh yeah, VVV and this definition/example is just wrong. VVV

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Gold Types: Gold Filled, also called Gold Overlay, refers to a layer of at least 10-karat gold that has been permanently bonded by heat and pressure to one or more surfaces of the support metal, then rolled or drawn to a prescribed thickness. The karat gold must be at least 1/ 10 of the total weight.


Just some tidbits for those interested.

>>>edit... sorry, sorry, my spelling had to be fixed... lest I be openly mocked!
Edited by IBGolden
05/16/2009 5:13 pm
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I have to wonder about insuring gold. What if you insure at $930 an ounce and somebody steals it 3 years later when it's at $1500 an ounce?
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 Posted 05/16/2009  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rggoodie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the updates

you will notice my information comes from quotes on other sites that is why I added the urls
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