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Ebay Seller "Hedging" His Sale By Double Listing

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 Posted 05/14/2009  9:30 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Zohar444 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I believe I am onto something. A few months ago I sold this seller the Austrian Netherlands Thaler. He has now listed it in 2 formats with the same pictures I took of the coins !

1) Buy it now - http://cgi.ebay.com/1794-M-Austria-...ne_W0QQitemZ360153976391QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item53dad98e47&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66:2%7C65:1%7C39:1%7C240:1318%7C301:0%7C293:2%7C294:50#ebayphotohosting

2) Auction - http://cgi.ebay.com/1794-M-MILANO-I...XF_W0QQitemZ300314976721QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item45ec2ae1d1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66:2%7C65:1%7C39:1%7C240:1318%7C301:1%7C293:2%7C294:50#ebayphotohosting

My guess is that if he gets a "buy it now" he will expire the other listing claiming "item is not available" - if the free auction gets a higher bid than the buy it now, then he expires it.

Unfair practice in my view.

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 Posted 05/14/2009  10:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ok, we should expose him.
you buy one, I buy the other.However, we need to know with absolute certainty that it is the same coin....
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 Posted 05/14/2009  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chequer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It has the same dings around the date ... that's the same coin. Does ebay allow this?! Shouldn't he have just added a Buy it Now on the main auction? Or tried the dreaded reserve? I'm trying to be nice, but that's not right.
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 Posted 05/14/2009  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry for being such a dolt, but what does hedging mean?
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Making sure you dont lose - basically selling the same item to 2 separate buyers selecting which ones to sell to based on price.
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 Posted 05/14/2009  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
*** Edited by Staff | The bad word filter is in place for a reason. Bypassing the filter and making the intended word obvious anyway is completely unacceptable. ***, as long as it makes $$$$$$$$$$$$$,
you could list your mother in law's face on a coin and they would support the listing. BUT wow.. just make one little mistake that would reduce their commission and they are right there giving you heck.
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 Posted 05/14/2009  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hhbkiddo, I get dozens of listings pulled every single day, usually within a few hours. They do care. The problem is people that just complain where it doesn't matter instead of reporting it. Takes less than 2 minutes. Try being proactive instead of reactive. Works much better.
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 Posted 05/14/2009  10:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chequer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ebay is a business and naturally they have to care about making money, but, as scubu said, in order to do that successfully they have to care about the auctions they run too. This doesn't seem ethical and, unless I'm way off base, could be fraudulent, but at the very least deceptive.
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I agree with Zohar completely on this one, I have seen such practice at local web auctions and I believe it to be less than ethical to sell something you do not have. I do not believe that the seller has two practically identical coins and has mistaken the pictures of number two for numer one, and if he did have two coins - why whould he sell them simultaneously in two different ways? As a test? No, this doesn't look right.
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 Posted 05/15/2009  04:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did you give him rights to the pictures when he purchased the coin, Zohar?
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 Posted 05/15/2009  07:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zohar444 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I assume I did, as I did not have any watermark or restriction on them.
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 Posted 05/15/2009  10:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zakota to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Zohar444, do you mind if I use your post and move it to the other site I belong to. I am sure they would be interested in this subject. They are very active in reporting on ebay sellers.
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Post a link to this topic.
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 Posted 05/15/2009  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zohar444 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Go for it.
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 Posted 05/15/2009  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Zohar, I think the issues of the pictures is an aside, but it's worth mentioning. Rights to the pictures of objects sold do not pass to the buyer of the object unless expressly written so or if the pictures are under the Creative Commons license. You may not mind them using your pictures, which is fine... I know a lot of others do. It takes work to take a good picture, and in my mind it is outright thievery if someone does not have permission beforehand.

Take any picture anywhere, such as of an old tree - the old tree or the land it sits on doesn't belong to you, but the picture does. The land owner certainly has no right to your picture, either!

For information on Creative Commons, click here: http://creativecommons.org/

I think there are a bunch of threads on here dealing with this issue specifically on auction photos, so I didn't want to dwell on it, just mention it
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 Posted 05/15/2009  4:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
true, but on the other hand, you cant take a picture of someone's nice looking BMW in the parking lot, post a car for sale ad using that picture, and then deliver a rust covered 1987 Toyota either.
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