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1962 Jefferson Nickel Lamination Induced Ragged Clip + Potential Unattributed DDO (?)

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Found this a while ago and finally got around to doing something with it. Really neat Lam Induced Clip, but what is either Die Deterioration or a potential unattributed DDO got pointed out to me. I'm sorta in the camp, I'm not really a big jeffersons guy and their weird DDD can throw me for a loop. The fact the "doubling" is highly centralized and limited to the hair behind the ear and then potentially the eye and cheek furrow makes me think that the odds are more in the DDO camp, but with how strong it is in those areas I'd sorta expect something more on the lettering or stars that just isn't present. What do yall think?
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Nice find! And back, GrapeCollects! You should have Tanman look at this one.
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Not much into nickels, but for what it's worth his eye does look like doubling to me.
Was wondering what happened to you...I figured schooling or busy at the coin shop...how's the jaw OK ?

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You should have Tanman look at this one.


Would be happy to send it his way.


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Was wondering what happened to you...I figured schooling or busy at the coin shop...how's the jaw OK ?


Went rouge a few years back and now do my own thing. I'm starting an electrician apprenticeship soon actually. Funny thing about the jaw, Doctor Who did my surgery is now in prison for second-degree depraved heart murder and involuntary manslaughter. Whoops!
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Glad you are doing well!

Very cool coin but the doubling looks like "Rotational Machine Doubling" to me.

LINK https://www.error-ref.com/rotationa...ne-doubling/
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Very cool coin but the doubling looks like "Rotational Machine Doubling" to me.


Yeah and that I would normally agree with 100% and probability says it is, but in this case there's no shelf like I'd expect to see with MD. Look especially at that hair curl, there's no apparent reduction in the main device and appears to be a clear separation line. MD doubling at that specific area is irregular to say the least on top of that but not unheard of. Might just send it Tanner's way like E&V said.
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You may be right Grape and only a few bucks to find out, Tanner knows his stuff and I'm only a novice at best. The irregularity of the planchet may have come into play too with how the coin struck up.
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Very cool ragged clip!

I do believe the doubling is the result of DDD. Typically you might think of Die Deterioration as starting from the edge of the die and creeping inward (i.e. die flow is typically strongest towards the edge of the die) but on nickel and clad coinage you can see Die Deterioration start at the center and radiate outwards on the higher relief elements just like on this coin.

You can see that the doubling is to the west on the eye and mouth, south on the hair by the ear, and to the east on the hair at the back of the head (it's radiating outwards). And if you look closely at the reverse, you can see similar doubling on the base of the steps and the top and sides of the dome. Since these two dies were likely installed at the same time, they have a similar level of die wear.
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In searching nickels, I have occasionally come across similar wear on Jefferson's eye, corner of the mouth, and profile. As Tanner says, it appears to be a common location for Die Deterioration, particularly in the 1960s era dies. The contrast draws your eye, especially on mint state examples where the feature can really gleam brightly. Decidedly not mint state, but a good example on a 1964-D nickel:

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