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1802 Lrg Cent W/Unknown Merchant Name

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 Posted 03/04/2025  3:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add yugotex to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Haven't posted in months but today came across this 1802 large cent with a merchant name stamped on the obverse. Can't figure out the name. Thinking it looks like "WAUTMAYE" or "WALTMAYE" but don't find either in my references...anyhow, if you recognize what the name really is, your help would be most appreciated....


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 Posted 03/04/2025  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting counterstamp. Hopefully ExoGuy will have something to add.
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 Posted 03/04/2025  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks to me like WALTMAYER. This is a very uncommon name which helps raise the likelihood of attribution. I'll see what I can find out.
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 Posted 03/05/2025  08:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yugotex to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hope you can unwind the mystery...
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 Posted 03/06/2025  12:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a quick thought. Could it be "W. Altmayer"?
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I searched my pdf of Brunk for "aye" and did not find it.
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 Posted 03/06/2025  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Just a quick thought. Could it be "W. Altmayer"?


@ fortcollins .... Yes, this possibility occurred to me while I was searching for Waltmayer. Google search asked me if I meant Altmayer which does appear to be a more common surname than Waltmayer.

I've been busy and preoccupied with tax prep and other coin stuff this week. I'll try and dig deeper on this c/s search next week.
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Well, I ran a number of searches on both name possibilities. Most of my searches were done using early directory and patent texts.

I found nothing on Waltmayer. The only prospective hit I found was a W. Altmayer listed as a tailor in an 1860 St. Louis directory. If this was the guy, like many a merchant back then, he likely belonged to some fraternal group, wherein he could network and build a customer base.

Since no other examples of this c/s have as yet surfaced, the subject piece may have been a personal, fraternal badge of sorts to flash at fellow or prospective masons? The mystery remains ....
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 Posted 03/18/2025  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yugotex to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sincere thanks for your efforts to ID this c/s. Kind Rgrds, Rod
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 Posted 03/18/2025  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Sincere thanks for your efforts to ID this c/s.


Happy to have a go at it, I am. I've been seriously doing these searches for over twenty years now. Of the many c/s's I've been able to positively solve, some took but minutes and others took over a decade.

New resources are constantly appearing online. I've actually been able to solve a few pieces by using ebay; this, by finding some early product, be it a tool, spoon, early photo frame, etc. that bears a matching stamp. Oftentimes, I've then purchased the "stamp-mate." One such purchase was a pewter coffee pot with a matching 1862 patent date.

Perserverence pays, so keep at it! I suspect that this apparently uncommon stamping helps your odds of eventually making an attribution. Good luck, Rod
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 Posted 03/19/2025  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yugotex to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your persistence deserves applause. FYI, am a long-time ebay numismatics seller...and, not much of a token collector...so, will be listing this piece on ebay a few days from now. Perhaps someone there will recognize it and we may learn the exact origin. If I do, will let you know...
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 Posted 03/19/2025  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, guys. Experience has told me that tere are many ways to solve/attribute counterstamps. I've a few pieces that I can post to illustrate this. Stay tuned ....
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