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My Renniks book lists the mintage as N/A I wanted to know the mintage as some say it was low,so I emailed the Royal Australian Mint to find out. After a few back and forth emails they gave me a final mintage of 4598 made and 4543 sold. Now another problem arrose as to who made the card that the coin is housed in. Some say Downies... so I emailed them to find out. Here is there 1st response. Quote:
Thank you for your email.
Regrettably, our records don't go back to 2007 so we are unable to provide the answer on the mintage figure for the Kangaroo coin.
In recent years, our cards/packaging have 'DCPL' printed where we have produced the packaging.
We don't have an exact date when we first started producing cards/coin packaging, but it would have been over 20 years ago or more.
If you have any queries, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Regards,
Toni Kuiper
Key Customer Relationship Officer
PO Box 3131, Nunawading, Victoria 3131 Australia
T 1300 789 847 | F +61 (0) 3 8456 8401
E info@downies.com
Downies Collectables: Inspiring Collectors I emailed them again to see if they could tell me if they produced the actual card the 2007 Frunc Silver Kangaroo came in, this is the email I received today. Quote:
Downies Customer Service
7:08 AM (8 hours ago)
to me
Dear......
Thank you for your email, this was a RAM release, therefore their card.
So Downies are telling me that they did not produce the card and in fact it was the Royal Australian Mint.  Can anyone else prove otherwise? https://wynyardcoins.com.au/collect...9-silver-uncEdited by crab eater
03/19/2025 02:32 am
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This is interesting. Just for my education I had a look and my Rennicks book (ed 31) lists one "unc silver" coin and another silver coin in case ( and a gold plated one which is not relevant here). I did a search for the silver frosted coin and found two different results. Ok, I might not have understood the description and searched for the wrong thing or just may have misinterpreted the results but I really would like someone to set me straight on this.
My search on the net returned two results for the 2007 frosted $1 roo by Rolf Harris. One coin is mounted on a yellow card in landscape orientation and the other on a blue card in portrait orientation. Both cards were endorsed with "Royal Australian Mint". The coins to my (amateur eyes) appear to be the same. The asking prices are vastly different. For a coin mounted on a yellow bit of cardboard it's $35 but if you want the blue cardboard it's $300?
I hope I am missing something here and am happy to be corrected.
I have noticed that some coins are being re-released on new bits of cardboard for way over the current value of the coin itself (1966 50c coins go for twice the price of a raw coin when stuck on a bit of colored cardboard) and the colored $2 coins are getting re-released on different colored cardboard than the original releases. Anyone happy to keep buying another coin they already have just because it's on a bit of different colored cardboard?
I couldn't find a Downies card but would be interested to know if there is actually one. I would really be interested to know why a bit of blue cardboard is worth more than the yellow one. Maybe they are different coins? If so , how can I tell?
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The downies rep is incorrect in his reply. He is right in stating "In recent years, our cards/packaging have 'DCPL' printed where we have produced the packaging" - The 2007 Downies releases does not have 'DCPL' printed on the back cover so this is probably what has confused him, but it is definitely a Downies release as you will see in the attached images from the Downies Money catalogs late 2006 Downies Money Catalog September 2006  Downies Money Catalog November 2006  Downies Money Catalog December 2006  The Downies Money Catalog September 2006 image maybe hard to read the text so I have transcribed it as follws: Following immense pressure from the numismatic community, the Royal Australian Mint has announced that it is to strike the Rolf Harris 2007 $1 1oz Silver Kangaroo coin in BU quality!
Although this will no doubt inspire a tremendous collective sigh of relief from those wishing to continue their pursuit of
this long-running, important precious metal series, there's no time to breathe easy. The Mint, who will not offer the coin directly to collectors, has capped the mintage at a maximum of 15,000. Even if such a figure is reached, this will make it the lowest mintage Silver BU Roo of the entire 1993-2007 series.
Not to be found at the RAM, this .999 fine silver BU Roo will NOT BE FOUND ANYWHERE in this unique, full-colour designer pack! Created by Sherwood exclusively for Downies, this eye-catching pack forms the perfect environment in which to enjoy the new Rolf Harris- designed 2007 $1 1oz Silver Kangaroo BU.
With collectors as disappointed as we were by the RAM's original decision not to strike the Silver Roo in BU, the continuation of this grand precious metal tradition is massive news - and demand is sure to be huge. Don't miss out!
* Crafted to BU quality from a troy ounce of .999 fine silver
* Maximum mintage 15,000
* Measures a crown- sized 40mm - features an original Rolf Harris design
* Set within a unique full-colour Sherwood presentation pack - exclusive to Downies!It's interesting to note that Downies quote a 15,000 mintage figure for this coin, which in my opinion is not correct There is another reference to mintage I've found on the World Silver Bullion website: https://worldsilverbullion.weebly.c...angaroo.htmlQuoting 4,598 for Downies release and 4,000 for Global Promotions (Yellow packaging) issue Edited by mrcruise
03/19/2025 06:12 am
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Ok, I might not have understood the description and searched for the wrong thing or just may have misinterpreted the results but I really would like someone to set me straight on this. There a five versions of this coin.. 1. Cupronickel Frosted Uncirculated (Yellow Card) 2. Silver Frosted Uncirculated (Blue Card) 3. Silver Proof (Cased) 4.Gold Plated Silver Proof(Cased) 5. Coloured Silver (3 coin set , 2007,2008,2009, Kangaroos in Case) |
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Thanks mrcruise for your post. Hard to believe anyone really. So it may be a Sherwood card sold by Downies. "Already sold out at the mint" but" the mint will not offer the coin directly to collectors". "capped the mintage at a maximum of 15,000" ( sold out after 10 weeks ) only 4598 were made.?  |
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Thank you Crab Eater. I see now where I was confused. Two versions of the yellow cards - one cupronickel frosted and the other silver frosted. Hence the difference in prices.
I see in a McDonald catalogue it lists the coin as having a mintage limit of 15000 but an actual limit of 4000. It's a shame that accurate info is so hard to find. Who to believe?
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There a five versions of this coin..
1. Cupronickel Frosted Uncirculated (Yellow Card)
2. Silver Frosted Uncirculated (Blue Card)
3. Silver Proof (Cased)
4.Gold Plated Silver Proof(Cased)
5. Coloured Silver (3 coin set , 2007,2008,2009, Kangaroos in Case) This is not correct, there is a GOLD PROOF coin 1/10 th ounce too.So that makes 6 varieties.  |
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Hi all, I'm new to this community having only just come across this topic in my research. I've been collecting RAM silver commemoratives for 4 or five years and decided to investigate why I was missing the Rolf Harris frosted roo, when, with his reputation tarnished, this might be a less popular item, and have greater availability. I mainly buy through auction sites but also occasionally from dealers and e-bay (with caution). It would appear from the words of wisdom in this thread ( thank you crab eater) that low mintage is probably the reason (although the actual mintage is still uncertain). Interesting archival images from mrcruise of the Downies magazines - thanks for posting those. I noticed the RAM site no longer links to an archive of Mint Issue but I can still find it elsewhere.
SallyG noted too "Two versions of the yellow cards - one cupronickel frosted and the other silver frosted", so 7 varieties in total although Au and CuNi do not interest me.
I'm looking forward to learning more from you all and hope I can contribute in a worthwhile way too.
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Maybe it is time to put this issue to rest My extensive research from the last 15 years shows the following: Below are all the versions of this coin including different packaging versions: 1. Cupro Nickel $1 Frosted Uncirculated (Yellow/Black Card) - Official Issue by Royal Australian Mint 2. Cupro Nickel $1 Frosted Uncirculated (Cased/White Outer Cover) - Official Issue by Royal Australian Mint and sold through Australia Post 3. Silver $1 Proof (Cased) - Official Issue by Royal Australian Mint 4. Silver $1 Gilded Uncirculated (Cased) - Official Issue by Royal Australian Mint 5. Silver $1 Frosted Uncirculated (Capsule) - Official Issue by Royal Australian Mint. This is how the Royal Australian Mint supplied dealers with the coin 6. Silver $1 Frosted Uncirculated (Blue Card) - Official Issue by Royal Australian Mint - Packaging/distribution by Downies 7. Silver $1 Frosted Uncirculated (Green/Wildlife Card) - - Official Issue by Royal Australian Mint - Packaging/distribution by Downies 8. Silver $1 Frosted Uncirculated (Yellow/Black Card) - Official Issue by Royal Australian Mint - Packaging/distribution by Global Promotions 9. Silver $1 Frosted Uncirculated (Capsule/Folder) - Official Issue by Royal Australian Mint - Packaging/distribution by Macquarie Mint (Downies) 10. Silver $1 Frosted Uncirculated (Cased) - Official Issue by Royal Australian Mint - Packaging/distribution by various 3rd Party Dealers 11. Silver $1 Frosted Coloured Uncirculated (Capsule) - After-Market Alteration by 3rd Parties in Europe and not approved by Royal Australian Mint 12. Gold $10 Proof (Cased) - Official Issue by Royal Australian Mint There is also 13. Silver $1 Proof (Capsule) - Official Issue by Royal Australian Mint. Part of The 2009 Great Australian Artists Set - technically part of above but minted in 2009 See Pics              |
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Maybe it is time to put this issue to rest
My extensive research from the last 15 years shows the following: Great ,well detailed post.MrCruise. |
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Extraordinary mrcruise,
Thank you for your remarkable research backed with supporting images.
Blew me away!
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 Well tan me hide when I'm dead Fred. That's a lot of different packaging to sell the same coin .(Silver FRUNC) And there is only 4500 of them.  Has to be some sort of world record.  I have the capsule variety , number 5 on the list. I was wondering why it was not in the blue card, thought it was taken out. Thanks for your valuable information on this topic mrcruise.   Edited by crab eater
08/09/2025 02:19 am
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