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United Kingdom Of Portugal, Brasil And Algarves, 960 Reis

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 Posted 03/24/2025  7:16 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jecz79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Also known as patacão. These were stuck over spanish 8 reales pieces and similar coins.
Should no longer be called a colonial coin as Brazil was a kingdom on equal footing at the time.

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A nice one. Identifying the base coin is a fun exercise. I leave it for fellow forum members It is an easy one and is already correctly oriented.
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 Posted 03/25/2025  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Brazil 960 Reis, or "patacão," is indeed a fascinating coin with a rich history. These coins were struck over Spanish 8 Reales and similar coins, making them unique in their composition and design. Historically, they were minted during a transitional period when Brazil evolved from being a colony to becoming part of the United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil, and the Algarve in 1815.

Given this context, the classification of these coins can be nuanced:

Colonial Coins: If we consider the period before 1815, when Brazil was still a colony, these coins could be classified as colonial.

Kingdom Coins: After 1815, when Brazil became a kingdom on equal footing with Portugal, these coins are better classified as coins of the United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil, and the Algarve.

The overstrike on Spanish 8 Reales adds another layer of intrigue, as it reflects the practical use of foreign coins as planchets due to the scarcity of silver in Brazil at the time. This practice was common in regions where local mints adapted foreign coins for circulation.

So, while the term "colonial coin" might apply to earlier issues, the correct classification for the 960 Reis minted after 1815 would align more with Brazil's status as a kingdom. Numismatists often refer to these coins as "Kingdom Coins" or "United Kingdom Coins" to reflect their historical significance.
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 Posted 03/28/2025  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jecz79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you. The real used in Portugal and in Brazil at the time of the United Kingdom was still valued differently. As it had been in the colonial era. this is still the the brazilian real, the same as the colonial issue. It is just no longer colonial in the proper sense of the word.

I thought it could be fun to let people figured the underlying coin but no one pointed it. It is a chilean 1818 peso, also known as the volcano peso.

Unusually in this one the date is clearly readable in the reverse, the final 18. UN PESO inside the laurels is visible underneath the crown. And of course the volcano and column. Several portions of the old legends also can be read.

This coin is also unusual in that the original coin must have been a little underweight. The center of the 960 reis was weakly struck, it is not just wear. And the coin weights only 25.6 g which is around 1 g lighter than usual for the 960 reis. Perhaps the 1818 chilean pesos were underweight, or sometimes were struck in flawed disks? That could explain the weakness at the center of the 960 reis. But I have not had good luck finding series of weights for surviving 1818 pesos.




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