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1811 50c Capped Bust Half Dollar O-105 R4

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 Posted 04/19/2025  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add adam126402 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
FortCollins, I wondered about it being a contemporary counterfeit as well, but overall thought surfaces looked better than I would expect for a CC made out of some crappy alloy, hence didn't mention that in my comment about pinholes. If they are CC, it should be well short of 13.5 grams. I have two CC Seated Liberty halves and they weigh 8.8 grams, s/b 12.4, and have corrosion as a result of the lousy metal used to make it. I suppose it could be a more modern counterfeit made with real silver.

NS, is the weight and measurements correct?
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The coin weighs 13.38g whereas the standard is 13.5g. It is also slightly more than 33mm where the standard is 32.5mm. Given that this was struck in an open collar, it seems ok that the coin would expand slightly when struck. Seems within tolerance in these two regards.

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The coin weighs 13.38g whereas the standard is 13.5g. It is also slightly more than 33mm where the standard is 32.5mm. Given that this was struck in an open collar, it seems ok that the coin would expand slightly when struck. Seems within tolerance in these two regards.


That almost certainly takes a contemporary counterfeit off the table. The edge looks good from the accompanying pics, too. That answers both of my ideas. You have a good mystery with that one.

It's a nice coin!
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new photos I'm changing to AU55.

counterfeit is way out of my wheelhouse so no comment.
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very nice and original---
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Speaking of contemporary counterfeit CBH, I came across this old post. This is more in line with my expectations for what one might look like, not NS's example.

http://goccf.com/t/189564&SearchTerms=1818,half
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