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Not sure if there's enough time to do anything about it, but I just came across this obvious counterfeit 1829 Bust Dime: https://www.ebay.com/itm/297097833886Looks like it's mean to imitate the Curl Base 2, but all the details are bad and way off. The seller rarely sells coins, so it could just be an honest mistake. Still, checking the bids, there's at least 3 people in a bidding war that seem to think it's legit. I messaged the seller, but we'll see how receptive they are. Edited by chirrrs
04/06/2025 01:18 am
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I'm guessing that's the "Extra Large 10 C." variety?  |
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The item in question:  Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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As a buyer I would always question someone holding an almost 200 year old coin with there barehand.
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Is someone here able to have the auction shut down?
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Is someone here able to have the auction shut down? Highly unlikely. The counterfeit reporting forum was shut down because the contact at ebay retired. You can try reporting it yourself, as others have tried getting listings removed, but ebay's artificial intelligence knows everything nothing* about numismatics and you'll get nowhere fast. *corrected by staff. |
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Just to make absolutely certain, this isn't something other rare variety that I'm not aware of, right? The coin is 100% a poorly done counterfeit, isn't it?
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The coin is 100% a poorly done counterfeit, isn't it? Yes, it's a one-look fake - it just doesn't look right. The details may look good from a distance but everything is just a little bit off or wrong when you look close. Compare their image to that of a genuine one such as this one from PCGS: https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin...-large/94511 Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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04/06/2025 6:55 pm
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@Hondo There are 12 varities (JR-1 through JR-12) for the 1829 capped bust dime. The one you happen to be showing is JR-2 variety. The stars on the obverse and the banner and 10C. on the reverse have different positionings with all the varieties, which makes collecting them for me a whole lot of fun. The varieties are also different for the years so you can't say JR-3 variety is the same for another year. That may have a different JR designation for it. These multiple varities occur to an extent for every year of the capped bust dimes except for 1822 where there's only 1 die marriage (1 variety). To put things in perspective, some have the banner ending pointing at the beginning of "M" in "America", others pointing at the middle of the "M", and others pointing near the end of the "M." There is only one 1829 variety for which there is a curl base 2 (with maybe 40 known) and that's the JR-10 variety with a rarity designation of 5. The 1829 in question has a large date instead of a small one, the stars on the obverse are in the wrong position, the banner is positioned incorrectly, and the 10C is postioned incorrectly as well. Big time fake. I know of no other variety for the 1829 with a curl base 2 for the year. Here's how it should look for the 1829 with the curl base 2. Good catch @ chirrrs. If it were real it would be.... who knows...a $50,000 - $100,000 coin in XF/AU+. The sky's the limit if it were real.  Edited by DoctorBurnzy
04/07/2025 08:51 am
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I phrased it incorrectly. The banner is positioned correctly; however, the spacing of the letters in United States of America are positioned differently in some of the varieties.
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@DoctorBurnzy sums it up nicely. Comparing a (real) say, JR-2, to a (real) JR-10, you can see the differences in the dies used - in fact, all the obverse and reverse dies have their own names. Collecting by die marriage is very fun and addictive. (I collect the capped bust Half Dimes, but I'm slowly eyeing the dimes...) In the Bust Dime Variety Identification Guide (Zack, Scuderi, Sherrill 2015), they say: "The JR-10 Curl Base 2 is the rarest die marriage for this date... more than 50 examples have been reported... The finest confirmed is a high-end VF with another four known in lower VF." So yeah, a JR-10 in this state of preservation would be a big deal... and since this counterfeit hammered on the 'Bay for $154.50, I'm guessing the bidders don't have access to this information. |
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"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
Edited by thq
04/08/2025 10:16 pm
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It looks like it's made from lead!
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Looks like a STATESOFAMERICA reverse
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That's not the 1820 STATESOF reverse. There are other markers but the letters are much closer together and the left side of the banner on the reverse points to the inside of the "E" in UNITED. Be careful if you buy one. I've seen a handful of 1820 attributed to be the STATESOF variety by TPGs that have gotten it wrong. Always make sure that the banner on the left side points to the inside of the "E" and the right side of the banner points to the middle of the "M."  Edited by DoctorBurnzy
04/12/2025 01:14 am
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