Coin Community Family of Web Sites
FactoryPin — Custom challenge coins for military, police, and organizations. Global shipping, affordable prices, special discounts for service members!  Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Specializing in Modern Numismatics 300,000 items to help build your collection! Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Register Now! It's free!
Registering will remove the anchor ads and vignette (between pages) ads.

1878 CC Morgan MS 63+

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 27 / Views: 1,396Next Topic
Page: of 2
New Member

United States
13 Posts
 Posted 04/07/2025  5:24 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bkw1982 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
*** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ***

I'm new to coin collecting and I came across an interesting Morgan. I first noticed that the reverse of the coin was at a one o'clock angle. From what I understand that is a dead giveaway for a fake. Except this one is in an NGC holder and I looked up the number even called NGC and it is a legit coin. 1878 CC MS 63+. The interesting thing about the mint mark is the C's look like double O's to the fact, they almost touch. Can someone let me know if this is an error or what they call a VAM,or if it is an error with a VAM . Thanks
Pillar of the Community
Marve65's Avatar
United States
5469 Posts
 Posted 04/07/2025  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Marve65 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hurry up and post some pictures.............
Bedrock of the Community
Errers and Varietys's Avatar
United States
58213 Posts
 Posted 04/07/2025  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To CCF! We'll need pictures in order to help you.
Errers and Varietys.
New Member
United States
13 Posts
 Posted 04/07/2025  5:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bkw1982 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm trying to, but it will not let me post pictures from my phone
Valued Member
Freespeech57's Avatar
United States
342 Posts
 Posted 04/07/2025  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Freespeech57 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can also post the PCGS number if there are pictures on the PCGS page.
New Member
United States
13 Posts
 Posted 04/07/2025  6:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bkw1982 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The NGC Number is 8381509-011. When I called NGC and asked why it did not designate it as an error. She said whoever sent it in did not ask for them to check that specifically.
New Member
United States
13 Posts
 Posted 04/07/2025  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bkw1982 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you look it up under NGC, it shows you pictures
Pillar of the Community
MisterT's Avatar
United States
1789 Posts
 Posted 04/07/2025  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Best I could do from the NGC images.


New Member
United States
13 Posts
 Posted 04/07/2025  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bkw1982 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, that is it. Thank you.
Pillar of the Community
Learn More...
-makecents-'s Avatar
United States
6726 Posts
 Posted 04/07/2025  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VAM-22 is called out as having possible rotated reverse. So that is not a reason to think it is a counterfeit coin. Here is a link to the 78 CC VAMs.

LINK https://vamworld.com/wiki/1878-CC_VAMs
-makecents-
New Member
United States
13 Posts
 Posted 04/07/2025  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bkw1982 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So in all reality, it should have been described as a VAM 22 on the holder?
Pillar of the Community
Learn More...
-makecents-'s Avatar
United States
6726 Posts
 Posted 04/07/2025  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
So in all reality, it should have been described as a VAM 22 on the holder?
TPGs will not designate a VAM unless asked by the submitter and papers sent with it to prove what it is. Many folks do not care what VAM it is.
-makecents-
Bedrock of the Community
Learn More...
Hondo Boguss's Avatar
United States
18191 Posts
 Posted 04/07/2025  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hondo Boguss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
So in all reality, it should have been described as a VAM 22 on the holder?

Whoever submitted it may not have noticed the rotation. Also, TPGs will not designate varieties unless additional fees are paid.
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
New Member
United States
13 Posts
 Posted 04/07/2025  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bkw1982 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It shouldn't be considered common and that would make it worth more money, correct?
Pillar of the Community
Learn More...
-makecents-'s Avatar
United States
6726 Posts
 Posted 04/07/2025  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
It shouldn't be considered common and that would make it worth more money, correct?
I don't know that it would be worth much more. Like many "errors", the more extreme, the better. It says for this VAM that it could be 26 degrees to 106 degrees in rotation and yours is towards the lesser end.
-makecents-
Edited by -makecents-
04/07/2025 7:03 pm
New Member
United States
13 Posts
 Posted 04/07/2025  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bkw1982 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What degree would you say it is by looking at the picture
  Previous TopicReplies: 27 / Views: 1,396Next Topic
Page: of 2

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    





Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2025 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2025 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.36 seconds to rattle this change. Forums