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Do Mint Workers Pocket Error Coins?

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Error coins caught at the mint are typically removed from production and destroyed, ensuring they don't enter circulation. While some errors are caught and destroyed, a small number can slip through and end up in circulation, becoming sought-after collector's items.

While mint workers may encounter error coins during their work, they do not typically pocket them. Mint personnel are not known to deliberately create errors or hoard them. Instead, any errors that occur during the minting process are usually the result of unintentional actions aimed at improving quality that go awry. These errors, if discovered, are often returned to the mint for quality control or disposal.




Does anyone have any experience regarding what really happens when a mint error is discovered by workers at the mint?

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My response:

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I remember reading somewhere that during the 1970's some "error" coins were smuggled out of the mint by being placed in the oil pan of equipment to conceal the act.
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Mint personnel are not known to deliberately create errors or hoard them.

Nope, not at all!
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I visited The Royal Mint in Llantrisant in the mid-1980s (long before the present Visitor Center and Museum were established) and I remember having to leave any coins I had in my pocket at the reception desk on the way in - I'm sure this was to ensure I didn't smuggle any coins out among my pocket change, even though I was going nowhere near the production line but to the small gift shop that sold Proof and BU sets!
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While mint workers may encounter error coins during their work, they do not typically pocket them.
"Typically" does a log of heavy lifting in that sentence.
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Mint workers are scrupulously examined with metal detectors when they clock off, to make sure they aren't smuggling coins out - whether they be error coins or just plain normal coins.

I have heard the story that Royal Mint workers aren't allowed to bring any of their own coins onto the production floor, and even needed to use specially made tokens to purchase their lunch from the canteen. I don't know if mints in other countries have similar "no coins allowed" policies in place for their workers, but such tokens can also be found from mints in India and Pakistan. Understandably, most mints aren't keen on publicizing their security procedures.
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Mint workers are scrupulously examined with metal detectors when they clock off, to make sure they aren't smuggling coins out - whether they be error coins or just plain normal coins.


That didn't stop some bloke from smuggling thousands of $2 coins out of the mint in his boots

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...-ge2365.html


How do so many "mint state" error coins end up in PCGS slabs if they are destroyed upon discovery?
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Yes, people can try and sometimes even succeed in smuggling coins out of the mint, and mints tend to upgrade their security measures whenever a story of "mint worker steals coins from mint" hits the presses, to try to avoid copycat attempts. Most documented mint thefts involve regular coinage, not mint errors.

Coin manufacture on the production floor these days is highly automated - the machines do all the work. All of the actual humans working at the mint are there to make sure the machines are working properly, and to be quality control in case of machine failure. Each and every error coin that escapes is a demonstrable failure of quality control, and that's bad for business - especially if you're trying to sell the mint's high quliaty product to overseas customers. So it's something the mints will put considerable effort into minimizing.

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How do so many "mint state" error coins end up in PCGS slabs if they are destroyed upon discovery?

Quality control systems are never perfect - they can never catch 100% of errors. Some will slip through. "So many" is a relative term. Even if the quality control systems in place at a mint catch 99.99% of mint errors, and errors have a low chance of happening in the first place, that still leaves a large absolute number of error coins slipping through the system and into circulation once mintages start reaching the millions and billions.

The ever-increasing mintages of coins does tend to leave the impression that "the number of errors around is going up, quality control at the mint must be slipping", when it's mostly justly applied statistics: a tiny percentage of a very large number is still quite a large number. What does tend to make quality control at a mint actually decrease is inflation: the declining worth of each individual coin over time. If a $1 coin costs 20 cents to make, it's not worth spending more than say an additional 20 cents per coin on quality control checking procedures, or you'll start to severely impact the mint's profitability. If an American 1 cent coin costs 3 cents to make, then quality control measures become severely curtailed as a result of cost-cutting, and a higher percentage of those low-face-value error coins will slip through.

A lot of the error coins on the market are mint state or near-mint-state because coin errors are "different" and do stand out from regular coinage, even to the uninitiated. So the more spectacular errors are not going to last long in circulation, and it's quite likely that the first actual human to look at that error coin will put it aside and not spend it, even if they're not a coin collector. This is indeed an argument I often use here on the forum against people who come here with bogus errors: "if the coin has always looked that weird, how did it get so heavily worn? How did so many people simply spend it and give it out in change without noticing there was clearly something wrong with it?".

If there is an actual increase in perceived "mint-fresh errors" on the marketplace, then I would suspect that the "problem" isn't at the mint, but at the frontline services, the people who receive and handle those freshly-minted coins: the people who work at the armoured car companies, the people in the banks and major retailers who receive shipments of new coins direct from the mint. Those are the people who are fishing the error coins out before you get a chance to find them in change.
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Thanks Sap.

It makes me wonder how "mint sport" coins get minted and smuggled out of the mint if security is so tight? They must be being made by people higher up the ladder than the average mint worker.
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It makes me wonder how "mint sport" coins get minted and smuggled out of the mint if security is so tight? They must be being made by people higher up the ladder than the average mint worker.

If it happens at all these days, it doesn't happen on the regular production room. It's more likely to happen in the die workshop, where all kinds of presses and such might be available to hand-test a die before it gets put into the production room.

Which doesn't answer "how do they get out". I suppose if we all knew that, there'd be a lot more of them - or we'd have heard about the smugglers getting caught and prosecuted. That dime-on-a-nail in Hondo's post is valuable simply because it's unique; it is also clearly a mint sport, since it's a wood nail and there's no wooden objects in the coin production room these days for a shiny new nail to potentially have fallen down from, and Jarden Zinc, the manufacturer of penny blanks, doesn't make nails. Whoever made it obviously smuggled that nail into the mint, and probably used the same method to smuggle it back out again.

It would frankly be easier for me to believe that that nail is a complete counterfeit made from fake dime dies and was never inside the Mint building. But everyone including the TPGs seem to believe it's from genuine dime dies, so I guess that possibility has been rejected.
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I would suspect that the "problem" isn't at the mint, but at the frontline services, the people who receive and handle those freshly-minted coins: the people who work at the armoured car companies, the people in the banks and major retailers who receive shipments of new coins direct from the mint


I'm sorry to say that here in the US you need to add the USPS to the list of usual suspects. Theft within the post office in my neck of the woods is rampant and organized, as in gang related.
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