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 Posted 05/22/2025  7:43 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Rubduck to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I want to apologize if I ask this question multiple times I still not sure if this is a error
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 Posted 05/22/2025  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, it is a Close AM, that is what it should be.
It is the Wide AM that you should be looking for.
Also they are not an error, they are a variety,
big difference.
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 Posted 05/22/2025  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rubduck, save this site on your phone or computer, it's a nice, quick reference to many of the big hitters that will help you learn and remember. I can give you a bunch of links, but this is a good starter.

The Lincoln Cent Resource. https://lincolncentresource.com/
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 Posted 05/22/2025  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Marv65 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just always look at the FG - if it is "CLOSE" to the memorial base then the cent is a Wide AM - If it is "FAR" from the base it is a Close AM.
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JimmyD, I know you are correct and realize what are Varieties and what are Errors but do you ever question why? I have. It really bothers me, actually.... So, a doubled die, I kind of understand, to an extent, there are mechanics involve that you could kind of blame that on but still, it had to do with "error" in how the die was put back in, and the transitional varieties, for sure in my mind are "errors", someone using the wrong obverse or reverse with vice versa. Then you have the majority of what are considered actual "errors", that are for the most part, just something that happens to a die during its lifespan. What are your thoughts on this?
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 Posted 05/22/2025  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's the Wide AM you want to look for, not the Close AM on the 1998. The Close AM is the normal design.
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To keep it simple and not go into too much detail.
An error is usually one of a kind that is caused by a malfunction during the striking of the coin such as
a broadstrike, misaligned die, brockage etc.
A variety is a change in the coins design from the original die so that every coin struck from this die is the same
so there can be hundreds of thousands of a variety.
A DD is a variety due to a double strike on the die that will produce all coins struck from that die to be the same.
Now there may be some exceptions but as I stated, this is a simple explanation.
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 Posted 05/22/2025  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry to take so long to respond but had a few chores to do.
To start, I will admit that I can be a "fly in the ointment" and don't necessarily mean to, but it has come to be, as I learn and cannot help but question certain things, as I think we all should, occasionally. We should not just always take things at face value and what we are told, use the thing between your ears every now and then.


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To keep it simple and not go into too much detail.
So, to not keep it simple. I noticed you said nothing about my statement on "transitional varieties", which are CLEARLY human "error", there's that error word again. A human put the wrong die in place at the time of making a coin, which turned out to be MULTIPLE coins, (that made no noise), but we'll get back to the noise thing later.


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An error is usually one of a kind that is caused by a malfunction during the striking of the coin such as
a broadstrike, misaligned die, brockage etc.
These are not one of a kind but definitely less in numbers, typically. A misaligned die definitely does not fall in the less numbers group though, as there are doubled dies that have a misaligned die tied to them, therefore having the same number of coins being made. I did not take time to find one but know this is the case and will if you would like.

So, back to the "noise" thing. Many of the so called "errors", tend to make noise when they happen, noise will alert the mint workers that something is wrong, and they will stop the press because of this. I'm sure that a long-time mint worker, with some experience, can even tell what type of "error" has occurred before they even get to the press to stop it. Because of this, there are lower numbers of coins made, such as clashes, Cuds and shattered dies. "Varieties" do not make a noise and thus the higher number of coins produced.


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A variety is a change in the coins design from the original die so that every coin struck from this die is the same
so there can be hundreds of thousands of a variety.
This I can go along with for the most part, but what happens to an "error" coin is also a change in the design, quite drastically in some cases.


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A DD is a variety due to a double strike on the die that will produce all coins struck from that die to be the same.
This is not a good statement in my opinion. "Double Strike" is a term which is misused on a regular basis and definitely has absolutely nothing to do with a "Doubled Die". This is a double strike and is what you would call an "error". LINK https://www.pcgs.com/news/doublestruck-mint-errors
That being said, here was my statement, that should have gave you pause and thought about why I said it the way I did. My statement about doubled dies.
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So, a doubled die, I kind of understand, to an extent, there are mechanics involve that you could kind of blame that on but still, it had to do with "error" in how the die was put back in
A doubled die is created because the working die was removed from the press after the initial hubbing was not deep enough, and the working die was annealed again to soften the die more, which could occur more than once and then when the working die was replaced, it was not in the correct position and a doubled die is born. Once again, like the transitional variety, human "error". Lastly and very shortly, RPM's, I should not have to explain this as nothing more than human "error", if I need to, let me know. Do you kind of get me now, JimmyD, if not, I do not think I can explain it any better. Here is a link to Wexler's explanation of doubled dies if you would like to read it. https://doubleddie.com/58222.html
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 Posted 05/22/2025  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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with above statements here.
I was not surprised by this.
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That is there normal and expected Close AM coin. There were billions of them minted.
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Do you kind of get me now, JimmyD
I guess that is a hard no....
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 Posted 05/23/2025  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mystic Wolf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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...it's a nice, quick reference to many of the big hitters that will help you learn and remember...


Oh, this is awesome, thank you! (I have a ton of pennies to sort through & although I'm fairly sure I have most of that info saved somewhere, it's spread across so many different sites it's usually a nightmare trying to find the exact reference I need when I actually need it)
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 Posted 05/24/2025  02:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rubduck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry gentleman, before you make judgment and I appreciate the info
Understand one thing you should know about me. I do not go on line every day, WHEN I have the time I go on line, I am not married to my phone or the internet. So if I dont reply dont assume I'm like that, so I do not appreciate the comments, so next time that you post advise in- gauge your brain before you open your mouth..not everyone is married to the web. This is the reason our society is in a spiral, because we judge others without knowing that person or reason that you heard from a 3rd party.
Take care and dont worry I will close this account and ill give will post a review on this site
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Rubduck, I apologize if I did anything to offend you, that was definitely not my intention. Hope you will consider coming back here when you have the occasional question. Wish you well, regardless.
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dont assume I'm like that ... I do not appreciate the comments

Rubduck, I do not assume anything about you, except that you seem to be interested in gaining a better understanding of coin errors by the comments you provided to open your post:

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I want to apologize if I ask this question multiple times I still not sure if this is a error

I have reviewed all of the replies and comments to your topic several times, and my opinion is that several members responded directly to your question respectfully, and with helpful references should you choose to review them.
Additionally, a healthy side discussion between members on what constitutes an error vs. a variety. These discussions help us all learn about coins and the minting process.

I am just curious which comment(s) you found unappreciative?

As you can see, at least one other member is also confused, and apologized if anything was stated that you found offensive.

This is a great forum for asking questions and learning about coins, minting, errors, and varieties.

I hope you stick around and keep posting. Ultimately it is your choice.
Best wishes to you either way.
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