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Pillar of the Community
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Just concluded a trade to get this beautifully detailed piece (in the mail). A nicely toned, Leopold I "Tyrolis Type" (1680-1696) "The Hogmouth" 2 Taler DAV-3251, No Date, Hall Mint. A planchet flaw at 9:00 on reverse.  |
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Wow!, another fantastic Taler, congrats.
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Pillar of the Community
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Zohar444- very nice! But how do you know that it is a planchet flaw? I'm just curious since I have a 1789 8R that I think has a similar flaw.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks - still ways to go.
BTW - I may have to offload the 8's that you got me into as I am eyeing a couple of coins that will stretch the budget. I may post them on forum. Best,
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Pillar of the Community
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Planchet flaw defined - Any defect of a coin which was caused by the planchet being imperfect prior to the coin being struck. See this which gives an interesting explanation - http://books.google.com/books?id=pH...ult&resnum=7For me, these are hard to pefectly identify, yet they are oommon in coinage from the era which suffered from non-homogenous coin blanks, or uneven strikes. |
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Zohar444- gah, you're pondering getting rid of the 8s? I know that many would argue that fewer collectors means more on the market, but it still makes me cringe a bit to think that one would want to get rid of them.
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Also, would you agree that my 1789 8R also has a similar type of planchet flaw?   |
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Pillar of the Community
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I hear you, Archraz. We have so many interests and one budget :) I personally find the Talers and history of great interest and therefore will try to expand the collection.
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First off, beautiful coin....again...you have a good eye for quality. Secondly, interesting thread. I am tempted to branch out into Talers as a result of seeing your beautiful coins but cannot bring myself to even think of off loading any of my "eights" so I guess budget restraints will keep me from jumping in. I am however going to continue to "drool" over all the great coins you post. One drawback to the forum is I get exposed to new things and my "collector gene" kicks in and says "wow, those would be interesting to collect" without first consulting my budget.
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Pillar of the Community
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First off, beautiful coin....again...you have a good eye for quality. Secondly, interesting thread. I am tempted to branch out into Talers as a result of seeing your beautiful coins but cannot bring myself to even think of off loading any of my "eights" so I guess budget restraints will keep me from jumping in. I am however going to continue to "drool" over all the great coins you post. One drawback to the forum is I get exposed to new things and my "collector gene" kicks in and says "wow, those would be interesting to collect" without first consulting my budget.
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Pillar of the Community
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Archraz, it does look like a planchet flaw given the break off of the edge metal/hole. A mount shows different edge dynamic unlike such break.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for the help, Zohar. In your mind do planchet flaws detract from the overall value or desirability of a coin?
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Pillar of the Community
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Definitely takes away somewhat from the eye appeal. Neverthless, from a grading standpoint it does not impact the coin. See my Charles VI MS-64 reverse.   |
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Zohar - that is a great taler. The patina and color fit your collection nicely.
I might be at one extreme of the spectrum, but the planchet flaws do not bother me a bit. I like a coin with some character. I have an eichstatt taler that has semi proof like surfaces with a substantial planchet flaw that I will have to image and share with the forum. It is in a NGC AU-58 holder, but I would guess it would be MS-63 or MS-64 if the planchet flaw was absent. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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I have always liked Talers, Thalers also along with other "crowns" from the 1700s through the early 1800s. I have only four European Talers though. Also have a Leopold 1/2 Taler. Anyway, it is interesting to see your acquisitions!
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