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Are die markers errors within themselves? I found a handful of coins with the same exact die markers on them, but what I was wondering if die markers necessarily means it indicate a certain error?
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let me rephrase can die markers indicate a different type of error on a coin?
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Bedrock of the Community
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Die Markers are useful for identifying varieties like Doubled Dies and RPM's, etc. Error coins are one off. Varieties are different from errors.
Errers and Varietys.
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Pillar of the Community
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Typically, die markers are just simple die progressions in a coin, such as die gouges, die scratches and so on, that can change throughout the dies life but are handy when paired with a variety, such as a doubled die or an RPM. Occasionally, another variety is a marker for an existing variety, such as a doubled die paired with an RPM or vice versa or a DDO paired with a DDR. Sometimes an error is a marker for a variety too, such as a Cud or die clash paired up with them. Simply said, a marker is anything that can be used an identifier that is known to be on the same die as whatever is being called out. You did not explain what you have but you can find multiple coins with the same die scratches or gouges on them, which means you have found coins that came from the same die but this does not mean you have found an error or variety necessarily. Hope that helps and if not let us know.
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Thank you guys so much and this information indeed helped a lot.
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Please bear with me if I'm not saying the terms that I am seeing correctly. I found four coins that look exaclty like this. A Cud under the right side of the stem under the arm of the T in CENT?  A die scratch that arches in between the E and N in CENT?  A die gouge on the left side of the stem near the first arm of E in CENT?  Die scratch underneath Cud in C in CENT? Cud on the top stem of E in ONE? 
Edited by AyoJustin 09/01/2025 8:30 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: You did not explain what you have but you can find multiple coins with the same die scratches or gouges on them, which means you have found coins that came from the same die This is from the tail end of my explanation earlier and is what you have found. What you have shown is normal for most dies. If they last long enough, they will show much of what you have pics of. The item you call a Cud, under the upper part of the T is a die chip more than likely, if it were larger, it may be considered an IDB, interior die break but do not think it's that large. Unfortunately, there is nothing of worth here, short of you learning something today. Keep asking questions though, it is how you will learn and teach others in the future. Here is Cuds on Coins to learn about what a Cud is, a die chip and an IDB. COC link. https://cuds-on-coins.com/
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Bedrock of the Community
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Agree with -makecents- analysis.
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So many coins can have these exact same markers, look exactly the same, and in the same exact spot is what youre saying correct?
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Just a point here is that with Cuds, they will always be associated (connected to) with the rim of a coin.
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Quote: So many coins can have these exact same markers, look exactly the same, and in the same exact spot is what youre saying correct? Yes, there are several hundred thousand coins struck from the same obverse and reverse dies before they are discontinued from use. Some of the "markers" can change and even disappear over the life of the die though and some new markers can appear as the die wears.
-makecents-
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Excellent discussion about die markers. They are so important for identification and attribution. Thanks to the OP for initiating the discussion.
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