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1887 S Morgan Bag Marks

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 Posted 09/04/2025  11:16 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add teutonic_metal to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Greetings,

I think this is UNC, but there are obvious bag marks on Liberty's face, and one on the reverse near the right of the eagle. There are no rim dings or other noticeable marks. What do more experienced collector's think? Thank you.

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 Posted 09/04/2025  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Miss Liberty got beat up pretty bad with the ugly stick.

Other than that, not too bad at all. I'd give it a 61.
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 Posted 09/04/2025  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First,

This one's had a tough life. I'm not entirely sure all of the marks are just bag marks. Some of them don't look random, like the possible E or F to the left of the curl in front of the ear and the squiggly shape below the lower lip. If intentional, the marks would be considered graffiti and would detail the coin. The reverse is much better. I'm either at UNC details or MS-61.
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Thank you for the welcome! and both replies. I was hoping MS63, but I can see what you're both talking about. I think the letters are from lightning. Here is some closer photos of it magnified.

BTW yes Mrs. Liberty was beat up bad here lol


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 Posted 09/04/2025  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add adam126402 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unc details for the letter F scratched into liberties face to the left of the ear. That does not look random

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To CCF! I think this is a Unc Details coin.
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 Posted 09/05/2025  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add teutonic_metal to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all! I have a better understanding of what to expect of a possible grade.
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the hits on the cheek are displacing metal, if this coin was sent to PCGS it would come back as UNC details ( PMD code 98)
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Thank you for that opinion. Respectfully, I disagree with graffiti comments, and it is because of my poor photo skills that shows. You can definitely see bangs on it. I figured it came from riding on a mule cart of coin bags, train, or even made its way through the casinos in Vegas a round? It is a shame because it is a real nice Morgan and an uncommon date.
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UNC Details PMD
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MS-60, heavy bag marks.
What looks like an F just looks like a pattern of smaller bag marks to me, not graffiti.
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IndianGoldEagle, I agree. I do not have great photo skills, but it really is heavy bag marks from a lot of clanging. I was hoping MS63, but I can see MS61/60 from the gouges.
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