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What Is Positions A & B On Presidential Dollars?

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While searching on ebay I came across a graded Presidential dollar that had a title that is confusing to me. I thought Position A & Position B meant Obverse & Reverse when someone is listing a coin for sale.
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The major grading services recognize the up or down orientation of the edge lettering on Presidential dollars and Sacagawea dollars, as follows:
POSITION A - Edge lettering reads upside-down when the President's portrait faces up
POSITION B - Edge lettering reads normally when the President's portrait faces up


https://www.greatcollections.com/kb...-t160-4.html
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My understanding is that the "Position" refers to the coin's edge lettering.

Position A indicates the edge lettering is face down when viewing the coin's obverse.

Position B indicates the edge lettering is face up when viewing the obverse.

Hope that helps!
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Thanks to all, it makes sense now.
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How's that for service? Ask your question and 15 minutes later you have not one but TWO answers.
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How's that for service? Ask your question and 15 minutes later you have not one but TWO answers.
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I wonder why A wouldn't be up when the obverse is up, and B be down..
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I wonder why A wouldn't be up when the obverse is up,
and B be down..

Another good question would be, WHO MAKES THESE CALLS (to label it "Up" or "Down")..
I'm sure it's not the Mint...
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Let's take a moment to appreciate the diabolical genius of making two collectible varieties out of the same basic coin by specifying edge lettering orientation. Viola, twice as many coins are needed for every collection! =P
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They flipped a coin.

That's funny

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Viola, twice as many coins are needed for every collection! =P

This guy agrees with you...
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No doubling for me. Yes, I do have A and B, but one is P and the other is D.
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I wonder why A wouldn't be up when the obverse is up, and B be down.


As I haven't yet seen a definitive reply yet, I'll jump in with a bit of plausible/logicial conjecture...

As noted above, Position A refers to a coin whose edge lettering appears to be upside-down when viewing the obverse - the upside-down orientation is true only if the coin is viewed horizontally from the edge. If you are looking at the coin's obverse from "above," and peer over the rim from such a vertical (perpendicular) orientation, the edge lettering is oriented such that it is readable via the US standard left-to-right method. As such, it is easy to see how this would be considered the preferred or "A" position.

The opposite is the case for Position B. When looking at the obverse and peering over the rim, the edge lettering appears upside-down (difficult to read without additional pre-processing by the brain) but rightside-up when looking at the edge from the horizontal. Such orientation wouldn't be "preferred" (i.e., can't be read from above) and thus easy to see how it would be considered the secondary or "B" position.

(This explanation is easiest to understand if you have a raw Presidential $1 coin in hand with which to follow along.)


As to the question of "Who?"

I believe it was the grading services who came up with the "Position A" and "Position B" designations to place on holder labels so that the edge lettering orientation could still be correctly/easily identified on encapsulated coins.



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As I haven't yet seen a definitive reply yet, I'll jump in with a bit of plausible/logicial conjecture...
This makes sense!

Reminds me of why we have coin alignment. You look up at the hammer die, the orientation is correct.
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